any DNA results from Budjak ?

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Гагауз от Буджак

[vbnetkhio]

What is the difference between being pulled towards modern slavs and medieval proto-slavs? I'm genuinely interested.

on PCAs the av2 "Avar" Slavic woman plots in west Belarus, eastern Poland. av1 and sunghir6, the early medieval Russian, are a bit admixed, but also in that zone.
all other Slavic groups plot somewhere else of course.

the direction of the Moldavian cluster seems to be pulled towards the northernmost Moldavian sample, which plots in the center of Ukrainian cluster. i'm not counting that Moldavian further north, he is probably half Latvian.

[vbnetkhio]

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and those Moldavians that cluster southwest of the Moldavian average point are from the Moldova region in Romania.

[Zmey Gorynych]

on PCAs the av2 "Avar" Slavic woman plots in west Belarus, eastern Poland. av1 and sunghir6, the early medieval Russian, are a bit admixed, but also in that zone.
all other Slavic groups plot somewhere else of course.

the direction of the Moldavian cluster seems to be pulled towards the northernmost Moldavian sample, which plots in the center of Ukrainian cluster. i'm not counting that Moldavian further north, he is probably half Latvian.

I can't verify what you're saying and I'm not sure the most southern moldovan academic samples are actually moldovan but I'll try this exercise. My take is that It all depends on what is your starting and ending point. The one in the center of the ukrainian cluster I think is safe to say is not moldavian. The one at the bottom of the line you've drawn is the one you found on youtube(?), not even academic but neither is my result so I'll included. I will exclude only the ukrainian sample. If we are to look at my line it seems that the moldovan line(cluster) is pulled towards that imaginary medieval slavic cluster (between polish and belarussian), it also incompasses more republic of moldova samples (even the most eastern one?) and it also "touches" (as in is closer to) on the romanian moldovan samples.

one square - moldavian samples, 2 squares - romanian moldovan samples


If one would want, one could draw a line showing that the so called moldovan cluster is pulling towards the polish cluster. All a matter of what you want to "prove".

[vbnetkhio]

I can't verify what you're saying and I'm not sure the most southern moldovan academic samples are actually moldovan but I'll try this exercise. My take is that It all depends on what is your starting and ending point. The one in the center of the ukrainian cluster I think is safe to say is not moldavian. The one at the bottom of the line you've drawn is the one you found on youtube(?), not even academic but neither is my result so I'll included. I will exclude only the ukrainian sample. If we are to look at my line it seems that the moldovan line(cluster) is pulled towards that imaginary medieval slavic cluster (between polish and belarussian), it also incompasses more republic of moldova samples (even the most eastern one?) and it also "touches" (as in is closer to) on the romanian moldovan samples.

one square - moldavian samples, 2 squares - romanian moldovan samples


If one would want, one could draw a line showing that the so called moldovan cluster is pulling towards the polish cluster. All a matter of what you want to "prove".

yes, you are right. it's possible. perhaps that cluster of people southwest the Moldavian average (it's not some carefully calcualted average, just using it for orientation) is the main Moldavian cluster where 90% Moldavians will plot when i get a bigger sample, those south of it are mixed with Gagauz and Bulgarians, those north of it with Ukrainians and they don't represent a big part of Moldavians.

but then again Weirdlookingfellow lies on the East Bulgarian - French/West German line, meaning that the Moldavian part of his ancestors plotted like east Bulgarians. and Nurzat who is half Moldavian half Ukrainian if i remember right, plots in the middle of that Moldavian-Ukrainian line i drew, so his Moldavian ancestry was probably like that Moldavian i took as the most southern one. but they might also have some additional southern ancestries they don't know about which are pulling them down.

btw those Ukrainians which plot all over the place are academic kits, which were used to model the "Baltic" admixture in eurogenes k15 so they get weird results. but i put them anyway to se where they'll plot.
here are just the non-academic Ukrainians, before i added the academic kits:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6235663
that's probably a better representation of the Ukrainian cluster.