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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriatus91 View Post
    One thing that I noticed in the Czech Republic is that there tends to be one of the countries with little income inequality in Europe. The sad thing is that due to Communism their economy was setback years when compared with their neighbors in Germany and Austria. The former Soviet Bloc has only been catching up to the rest of Europe since the early 2000s. Prior to WWII Czechoslovakia had a much higher standard of living than the southern and eastern Europe along with a much higher literacy rate. Bohemia was the industrial heart of the Austro-Hungarian Empire before 1914 and companies like Skoda and Tatra date back to those years. Even in 1929, Bohemia and Moravia had a similar per capita GDP to Austria, and more than double of Spain.
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    Those including figures are for Czechoslovakia that includes the more agrarian Slovakia and Ruthenia (today part of Ukraine), I was referring to Bohemia and Moravia based on Angus Maddison's figures. Below are some figures that show just how Ruthenia and Slovakia were underdeveloped compared with the Bohemian Lands of the Dual Monarchy. They were not as high as what is today Austria, but in the 1920s Austria's economic growth lagged and it lost a large portion of its GDP with Vienna no longer being one an imperial capital as well as hub of banking and finance.

    Real per capita regional product in the Habsurg Empire (in 1970 US$)

    1890
    Alpine Lands $659
    Bohemia $551
    Spain $482
    Upper Western Hungary $433
    Carpathian Lands $427

    1910
    Alpine Lands $1098
    Bohemia $819
    Upper Western Hungary $606
    Carpathian Lands $575
    Spain $563


    Also when comparing the two it shows that Czechoslovakia as a whole was similar to Spain in 1913 and had surpassed Spain by 1950, but diverged after the War, but if we're only speaking of the Czech Republic, we need to separate Slovakia from the figures. So according to Angus Maddison's figures in 1990 International Dollars Spain's was $2,056 vs Czechoslovakia's $2,096. When we look at only Bohemian Lands that figure is $2,863.

    Per Capita GDP as percentages of US Levels
    Czechoslovakia vs Spain
    1913 - 43% vs 45.1% Spain
    1950 - 40.5% vs 27.6% Spain
    1973 - 49.8% vs 53.2% Spain

    The figures above are taken from "Reconstructing the Regional Economy
    Industrial Transformation and Regional Development in Slovakia"
    By Adrian Smith
    Last edited by Viriatus91; 07-11-2020 at 06:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriatus91 View Post
    Those including figures are for Czechoslovakia that includes the more agrarian Slovakia and Ruthenia (today part of Ukraine), I was referring to Bohemia and Moravia based on Angus Maddison's figures.
    Was never called Ruthenia, it was called Galicia at that era divided into East Galicia Poles and Ukrainians, West Galicia Poles and Slovaks (they used to be called Lemkos or something)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimea-Khan View Post
    Was never called Ruthenia, it was called Galicia at that era divided into East Galicia Poles and Ukrainians, West Galicia Poles and Slovaks (they used to be called Lemkos or something)

    I believe we are speaking of two different regions. I am using the old terms of the Austro-Hungarian period, along with the Czech term Rusinsko to refer to Subcarpathian Ruthenia. Prior to 1919 this along with what is today Slovakia was part of the Kingdom of Hungary

    In 1919 it was incorporated into the new state Czechoslovakia. It was given to Hungary in 1939 and after World War II incorporated into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. I usually only read history books and even the pre-1920 U.S. books tend to refer to all Ukrainians from this region as "Ruthenians".

    Galicia and Lodomeria which had been part of Poland until 1772 were annexed by the Habsburgs and administered as part of the Austrian Empire until 1918. In 1919 these were reincorporated into the new Republic of Poland. With the territorial annexation of Eastern Poland by the USSR in 1945, Eastern Galicia was also incorporated into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriatus91 View Post
    I believe we are speaking of two different regions. I am using the old terms of the Austro-Hungarian period, along with the Czech term Rusinsko to refer to Subcarpathian Ruthenia. Prior to 1919 this along with what is today Slovakia was part of the Kingdom of Hungary

    In 1919 it was incorporated into the new state Czechoslovakia. It was given to Hungary in 1939 and after World War II incorporated into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. I usually only read history books and even the pre-1920 U.S. books tend to refer to all Ukrainians from this region as "Ruthenians".

    Galicia and Lodomeria which had been part of Poland until 1772 were annexed by the Habsburgs and administered as part of the Austrian Empire until 1918. In 1919 these were reincorporated into the new Republic of Poland. With the territorial annexation of Eastern Poland by the USSR in 1945, Eastern Galicia was also incorporated into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.
    No, what your saying is wrong, is not about me and you personal or anything no hard feeling, I'm just explain why your wrong.

    From 1199-1349 this region was known as Halych Volhynia a early state that was post dated Bulgarian Empire and early Kyiv Rus mixed ethnostate, waves of steppe nomads were present always this was end of western steppe at that time Pechenegs (Cumans) western branch of Kipchaks had been defeated and settled there migrating west mixing with the Bulgarian Vlahs and Kyiv Rus peoples. In 1349 Casimir the great conquered this region for Poland Lithuania. It remained Poland Lithuania Empire until 1795 but was purchased by Moldavian King Stefan the great in medieval era and became known as "Moldavia region" part of greater Moldavia region that had a port with Black Sea but Halych Volhynia was still under dominion of Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. After Partitions of Poland 1795, this region was known as Galicia and Lodomeria and was changed to Austro Hungarian Kingdom but Poland remained autonomous, at this time Ukrainian separatist Cossacks were eager create their own ethno state so they side with Russia and after 1947 Stalin signed this region to Soviet Union and in 1991 Ukraine was established for first time
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    Ruthenia was something that became popular in America around the turn of 19th Century waves of Eastern European immigrants were arriving at Ellis Island New York and they could not speak English. So when they file paperwork they were being called "Ruthenians" because many Jews were arriving without an ethnic group and they were calling themselves "Ruthenians" instead of Jewish. So everyone who came from this region was known as Ruthenians, but people living in this region all had an ethnic group, Polish, Cossacks, Hungarians, Lemkos, Jews, Gypsys, Tatars, etc

    The "Ruthenians" was an attempt (very successful actually) to wipeout people of their cultural history, this has happened in many parts of world so some people can understand.

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    It is sad to see several Spanish users to be upset because we are doing fine economically. They should be happy for us, or generally for every country that keep showing some progress. This is not a competition this is about making Europe better place to live. We are all on one board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimea-Khan View Post
    No, what your saying is wrong, is not about me and you personal or anything no hard feeling, I'm just explain why your wrong.

    From 1199-1349 this region was known as Halych Volhynia a early state that was post dated Bulgarian Empire and early Kyiv Rus mixed ethnostate, waves of steppe nomads were present always this was end of western steppe at that time Pechenegs (Cumans) western branch of Kipchaks had been defeated and settled there migrating west mixing with the Bulgarian Vlahs and Kyiv Rus peoples. In 1349 Casimir the great conquered this region for Poland Lithuania. It remained Poland Lithuania Empire until 1795 but was purchased by Moldavian King Stefan the great in medieval era and became known as "Moldavia region" part of greater Moldavia region that had a port with Black Sea but Halych Volhynia was still under dominion of Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. After Partitions of Poland 1795, this region was known as Galicia and Lodomeria and was changed to Austro Hungarian Kingdom but Poland remained autonomous, at this time Ukrainian separatist Cossacks were eager create their own ethno state so they side with Russia and after 1947 Stalin signed this region to Soviet Union and in 1991 Ukraine was established for first time
    Not to go too far off topic, but with all due respect I think we are referring to different regions. Below is where I am talking about, clearly labelled in English as Carpathian Ruthenia, perhaps not in Russian or your language, but in English it is. It was part of Czechoslovakia from 1919 until 1939 and prior to that Hungary, and is clearly stated in the article. That is all that I was trying to say, not bringing in mediaeval history.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia

    As for Ruthenians, for whatever reason, U.S. government publications used this to label ethnic Ukrainians from Austria-Hungary. Those from Russia were called "Little Russians" and Jews were simply "Hebrews" just look at page 214 of this U.S. government publication below. I have read many from the period and they seem to use these odd terms over and over.

    https://www.google.co.uk/books/editi...J?hl=en&gbpv=0

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    Thread is old, I made it without any research, I was wrong that time and of course I wish well to Czechs. Also I didn't know someone would bump this thread, anyway thread closed

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