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    Default Russian Pigmentation by Not a Cop.

    So i decided to jump on austistic train and do my own study of pigmentation, as i, being russian, is more suitable for this job.


    I used third league russian footballers for this job, in pursuit to get more localised results, however it quickly became obvious that despite the fact that they were far more localised than higher leagues players, results were far from aimed ones.

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    I mainly used this site., using google and transfer site for unclear cases.

    Defenition of Russian
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    Methodology.

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    Results

    League is separated in 5 sections - West (more like Center-North), Center, South, Volga-Ural and East you can see location of clubs used on this map, if city has more than one club it has x2 or x3 in name.

    Also there is fewer number for hair than for eyes, due to extremly short haired/bald/grey individuals.

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    Notes:

    1. Surprisingly high amount of Germanic surnames, may count it later, but defenietly higher than 0,29% as official number says.

    2. While old anthropologist never counted red hair for russians and general belief is that it's basicly non-existant it seems that number is about 0,5% which is low in general, but not in relation to other european countries.

    3. Darkness of Southern Russians is a meme, as their pigmentation seems to be similar to that of Central Russians, and only Northern Russians show increased lightness (mainly in hair) which is logical as follows the genetic divide of Russians.

    4. In Volga-Ural region it was impossible to separate Russians from local minorities as a big part of them are christianised, and have totally russian names, however resuts came not drastically lower than that of other groups.

    5. A bit lower amount of light eyes compared to other studies may be explained by ethnic mixture, and bit diffrent standarts for light eyes however results came surprisingly close to that of other studies.

    6. Most of estimations were done on 1 picture, so i expected results not to be so accurate, and while eye colour statistics is of quality i find to be satisfactory, i would not put much trust in hair colour stats.
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    Nice work. Expected results; Eyes very similar to TNH and Wiazemsky (69 and 67%), Hair very similar to TNH and XP (15% pure blond ~30% incl dark blond)

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    Very interesting attempt.
    I'm little surprised by high dark eyes number in every region. I mean pure dark eyes number, which is always greater than in Poland. I think your dark-mixed category is too tight. At least 5%-10% should be moved from dark to dark-mixed.

    Can you make a map of those regions, please, will be much more clear.

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    One more thing. Ca you make comparison with Bunak 1965 data? At first glance he had lower dark eyes number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    Very interesting attempt.
    I'm little surprised by high dark eyes number in every region. I mean pure dark eyes number, which is always greater than in Poland. I think your dark-mixed category is too tight. At least 5%-10% should be moved from dark to dark-mixed.

    Can you make a map of those regions, please, will be much more clear.
    Yes I think it's the methodology. Pics have to be extremely HQ in order to match live observation.

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    Good work!
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    If i had fully russian name, would you include me? I am light/blonde btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    Nice work. Expected results; Eyes very similar to TNH and Wiazemsky (69 and 67%), Hair very similar to TNH and XP (15% pure blond ~30% incl dark blond)
    Thanks, i've expected to have slightly higher results as i excluded a few people based on patronomycs, but in the end i got a bit lower, however my pure light is a bit higher than TNH 54,5 vs 53.

    Also lower i'll post Bunak data, he had 18% blonde for Russians with highest in Western Europe being 30% which is consistent with ~30% for Scando countries of XP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    Very interesting attempt.
    I'm little surprised by high dark eyes number in every region. I mean pure dark eyes number, which is always greater than in Poland. I think your dark-mixed category is too tight. At least 5%-10% should be moved from dark to dark-mixed.

    Can you make a map of those regions, please, will be much more clear.
    Thanks, i'm actually a bit surprised by general correctness, i thought that doing it for the first time i'll get a lot of newbie mistakes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    One more thing. Ca you make comparison with Bunak 1965 data? At first glance he had lower dark eyes number?
    Bunak had a very small dark category indeed, but it's mostly due to hazel going into mixed. Due to poor lightning in most photos it was hard to determine pureness of brown colour.

    In his book he noted that hazel made up about half of mixed eyes, so knowing that number close to 30% for dark and dark mixed seems to be very believable.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bakha View Post
    If i had fully russian name, would you include me? I am light/blonde btw
    Seen your photos, not shure why you call yourself blonde, but likely i would include you, as i have included following people:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    Can you make a map of those regions, please, will be much more clear.
    Can you access the link?
    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    League is separated in 5 sections - West (more like Center-North), Center, South, Volga-Ural and East you can see location of clubs used on this map, if city has more than one club it has x2 or x3 in name.

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    Amazing work man!

    Some notes:

    - It seems my whole core ethnic Russian areas numbers(for blonde/light anyway) correlate closest to your whole Russia numbers and Central numbers(14.8% and 12.64% blonde/28.88% and 26.72% and total light)
    - At first I assumed Center was Moscow area, but it turns out it's actually western Russia and west is North West(well kind of mixed). I'm very surprised in the large difference between actual center/north and western Ukrainian border areas, I actually thought Ukrainian border areas would be around equal to NW Russian but turns out not to be the case.
    - South is also very surprising, most must be very recent(1700 AD+) migrants from central Russia that mixed less with Circassian/etc and very few assimilated Circassians/etc. type people than migrants in the east did in the east with Tatars, I assume the better climate is also a huge draw today for Russian migrants.
    - I also included people like above in your post(if they had Russian names of course), eastern Europe seems to have a bigger phenotype differences between the dark types and the light types say than a place like England where light/dark people still look pretty similar, I wonder if these more Caucasus looking ones are assimilated minorities or just different phenotype expression. Excluding such people solely based on looks would be unscientific of course because such looks do exist in pure ethnic people, including pure Med Swedes.
    - Glad you agree with my definition of blonde, you seem to have followed the criteria I listed for it perfectly.
    - Based on this it would seem like N. Russians are blonder than Lithuanians, would love to see you do Lithuania to have a double confirmation or even a western country like England/Germany and see how they compare but I realize you probably care less about their results than Russia's and doing this is very time consuming. Guessing N. Russians would be even lighter if you excluded St. Petersburg clubs.
    - One thing we probably did very differently is medium/dark hair, your numbers are pretty high compared to mine while blondism and all light isn't(although these two are more important and less subjective imo so doesn't really matter), for example this PFL team from Smolensk(ignoring the bald people) I count 11 dark out of 27 which is around 40%, and Smolensk Russians would be some of the lighter Russians so around 50%(for dark) as a whole for core Russians seems about more right, and looks around 50% just quickly looking at crowd pictures.
    - If you still have the raw data on hand I would split the regions up more, specifically put the Moscow area ones from both W and Central together, then have a Ukrainian border category and NW category without the Moscow ones, but again, probably time consuming and the numbers are very solid as it is.
    - Nice to see our red hair category is also extremely similar.

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    Again, very nice work. If you don't have time and want me to make a map of these results I'd be willing to, although not right away, probably in the next week or so, just tell me if so. Your eye colour numbers seem really accurate, Supercomputer should use them over Bunak's in his study, I remember there was some confusion over Bunak's definition of light eyes compared to other anthropologists.
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