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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    True. That's why I prefer not to associate with Balkan nations like Serbia.
    But then you have to associate with the West that considers you an Easterner. You wanna be kings in Balkans or gastarbeiter in the West. That's where the dilemma lies.

    My two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    No. Dispute was about Tesla place of birth, not his ethnicity. Because Serbs try to erase every trace of the fact he was born in Croatia, which was than part of Austrian military frontier.
    The dispute is always about his ethnicity.

    Not my problem your lieblings Serbs were already caught doing such things:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Labrador
    It's your fault to assume one act is related to another without evidence.

    It's funny how you portray me as some sort of Serb lover. I simply go where the facts take me. Where were you when I said Croatia had a right to independence in the early 90s and that the Serb ethnic minority (although justifiably wary of the Croatian government's fetish for the memory of the Ustaše considering how much they suffered during WW2) should have kept their cool and see how things played out first (see if their rights would be affected, etc.)?

    Nikola Tesla was still alive during WW2. He never showed much interest into it, nor denounced his connection with Croatia.
    He died on January 7, 1943. Do you think he got postcards from his relatives while they were in camps?

    I find those claims rather fishy. His "family" members could have been all kinds of things.
    Of course, you do. What happened to the Serbs in Smiljan? Smiljan had a camp.


    In any case, he never mentioned them nor showed any interest about their destiny.
    I don't know if that is true or not. I find it hard to believe you're the resident Tesla scholar. What I do know is if he lived in Croatia he would have been placed in the Gospić concentration camp or the camp that existed in his birthplace. While Tesla gets praises now at this point in his life he had become obscure and so he would have been just another Serb to the Ustaše.

    No, he was part of Croat majority, because he felt as ethnic Croat and willingly assimilated into Croat corpus.
    you can't tell people what they are, since identity is largerly a matter of choice.
    If Mortimer claimed to be Austrian because he was born and raised in Austria that would be true in that his nationality (citizenship) is Austrian but he wouldn't be an ethnic Austrian. Ethnic identity is not a choice.

    Borojević is considered, like many others, a Croat of Serb orthodox ancestry.
    Now that makes sense but I remember long ago reading a heated discussion by Serbs and Croats over his ethnic identity. It was certainly about his ethnic identity because the Croats weren't making a distinction as you did.

    Similar case, into another direction would be nobel prize winner Ivo Andrić. He was born into ethnic Croat Catholic family but felt rather Yugoslavian and created lot of his works in Serbia, on Serbian language.
    Thus many Serbs claim him and many cultural institutions in Serbia bear his name.
    It doesn't matter what they think: he's ethnically Croat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    The dispute is always about his ethnicity.
    No. You're getting boring.

    It's your fault to assume one act is related to another without evidence.
    Yes, since Serb nationalists are only one gaining something from Tesla monument of Jewish cementary getting blown up. lol

    It's funny how you portray me as some sort of Serb lover. I simply go where the facts take me. Where were you when I said Croatia had a right to independence in the early 90s and that the Serb ethnic minority (although justifiably wary of the Croatian government's fetish for the memory of the Ustaše considering how much they suffered during WW2) should have kept their cool and see how things played out first (see if their rights would be affected, etc.)?
    You are a Serb lover.

    He died on January 7, 1943. Do you think he got postcards from his relatives while they were in camps?
    I want to see his relatives list and how are they actually related to him. Might be another Serb lie, that's why there is a saying "you lie like a Serb"

    Of course, you do. What happened to the Serbs in Smiljan? Smiljan had a camp.
    Lika was a centre of Serb insurgency against newly proclaimed Croatian state, and Serbs there joined Partizan (communist) or Četnik (faschist) movement.

    I don't know if that is true or not. I find it hard to believe you're the resident Tesla scholar. What I do know is if he lived in Croatia he would have been placed in the Gospić concentration camp or the camp that existed in his birthplace. While Tesla gets praises now at this point in his life he had become obscure and so he would have been just another Serb to the Ustaše.
    Looooool.....Tesla would be killed because he was Serb hahahahahaha....just spare me your crap. You're getting comical.

    If Mortimer claimed to be Austrian because he was born and raised in Austria that would be true in that his nationality (citizenship) is Austrian but he wouldn't be an ethnic Austrian. Ethnic identity is not a choice.
    Mortimer is a Gypsy who contributed nothing to Austria. No, among Souther Slavs ethnicity was largerly a choice. Especially 100 years ago, when ethnic identities were not defined yet.

    ow that makes sense but I remember long ago reading a heated discussion by Serbs and Croats over his ethnic identity. It was certainly about his ethnic identity because the Croats weren't making a distinction as you did.
    Because in Borojević case it's not as clear as in Tesla. Many sources have Borojević origin as Croat. He was born into orthodox family, but not all orthodoxes were ethnc Serbs due to conversions in the past.
    I think he was Serb ethnically but am not certain like in Tesla case. Irrelevant anyway since he cared nothing about Serbs and was politically anti-Serbian.

    It doesn't matter what they think: he's ethnically Croat.
    Irrelevant also, he cared nothing for Croatia and identified as Yugoslav and possibly even Serb, and lived in Belgrade. Serbs can have him.
    This is not some blood and soil nonsense, but real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voskos View Post
    But then you have to associate with the West that considers you an Easterner. You wanna be kings in Balkans or gastarbeiter in the West. That's where the dilemma lies.

    My two cents.
    You proud Balkanites are comical....loves of the east who live in the west. Especially people like Serbs who live in the west by millions hahaha....yeah you are proud easterners but love western money.
    Gypsy mentality.

    Most western country of ex Yugoslavia Slovenia has least amount of emigrants to the west and has population growth with easterners and Balkanites moving there. Surprise, surprise...
    You are Chad only on the internet but humble and obidient gasterbeiters in the west irl.

    And I care nothing about the "west".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    No. You're getting boring.
    In other words, I'm right.



    Yes, since Serb nationalists are only one gaining something from Tesla monument of Jewish cementary getting blown up. lol
    I guess it's hard to believe that there could be Croatian nationalist goons who don't care about Tesla other than he's a Serb. These are all well educated men, of course. It was only in the 90s that Tesla started becoming a more recognizable name and therefore worth claiming.


    You are a Serb lover.
    I'm whatever you want me to be. How you view others is what's convenient for you.

    I want to see his relatives list and how are they actually related to him. Might be another Serb lie, that's why there is a saying "you lie like a Serb"
    Everything you don't like to hear will be a "Serbian lie" because whether you believe something or not is whether you like what you hear or not. That's always been your standard.

    I didn't bother to read the rest. You can't have a discussion about the Balkans with people from the Balkans.
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    If you are not J-L283 you are probably a probably of slavic paternal lineage.

    https://phylogeographer.com/notable-j-l283-men/

    If I visit the balkans in the future i expect all non J-L283 slavic immigrants to have a home ready for me and to pack their bags.

    This my ancient land.
    Right of Return
    Or Reconquista


    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z615/


    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z38240/
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    Mark 13:33 — “Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is.”
    (5:56) "Whoever allies themselves with Allah, His Messenger, and fellow believers, then it is certainly Allah's party that will prevail. All who ally themselves with God and His Messenger and the believers will be victorious."
    “Shave off the hair of kufr and get circumcised.” ( al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood; see also al-Mughni, 1/276; Sharh al-‘Umdah by Shaykh al-Islam, 1/350)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Geographicaly it is half central half southeastern. Does that bother you?
    Central in the balkan area..
    Don't forget that the most developed area of Croatia is next the mediterranean sea..


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    Ok, I will be honest. I am afraid of being grouped with Serbia, I very much dislike this country.
    I think Serbia is crazy
    and has way different mentality.
    Yes, I understand. The thing is, Croatia and Serbia aren't the same, no one says they are. There are plenty of nuances everywhere. Actually, barely any Balkan country is truly identical to the other one.

    That's why I mentioned western Europe, it has it's differences but no one is butchering it, that's eastern European trait.

    My Dutch friends who visited me, and stayed a bit longer meeting locals, saw only 50 shades of Balkan, but for them even central Europe was confusing concept at first.
    At the end, they saw Croats as south-east Europeans but not in a negative way, and by that they didn't mean we were like Albanians.

    I'm totally cool with it, and never argue with people trying to convince them into something else. Everyone has its perspective

    I dated a half Serb so surely am not hateful towards people just because they are Serbs.
    I just think this country is really evil so to say. And kind of glorifying everything bad like crime, kitsch primitivism, esoteria/conspiracy theories and self-glorificaton/overconfidence
    Have you ever seen Zadruga?
    No, I barely follow anything, but I'm familiar with all of that, yeah.
    Have you ever asked yourself how many Serbs are actually consuming that trash?

    Croats are not producing these stuff, at least not in such amounts, but consuming? Croatian YouTube trending is almost identical to Serbian.
    Serbs just found a recipe to earn the money. Many other online statistics are showing similar preferences overall.

    Except Pornhub. Croats love lesbians, Serbs milfs. Apparently

    The thing is, in many cases Croatia is selling what Croats don't want to buy

    Just see our movies, they are hated by majority of people
    They are so unnatural, nobody even talks like that, or uses such vocabulary in everyday life.
    I don't know why are they made except for money laundering

    I don't know what's up with that country, but I hope it will normalize in the future.
    I hope 50 years from now relations will be much more healthy and not so burdened like they are now.
    Yes, hopefully, for future generations to come
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    It was in reaction to the revival of the old exaggerated claims about the 'Velika Seoba' - including a programme on Belgrade television which stated that 400,000 Serbs had left Kosovo in 1690 - that the Kosovar historian Skender Rizaj published the first explicit attack, from an Albanian point of view, om the Serb historiography of these events: while accepting that some Serbs did support the Austrians, he argued that the majority of Piccolominis 20,000 volunteers were Albanian
    And although the detailed breakdown of that total which he gave seems to have been speculative , his argument was based on a larger knowledge of the ethnic and demographic situation in 17th century Kosovo, derived from Ottoman sources. Overall the position adopted by Rizaj seems to have been substantially correct
    Where is this common knowledge that youre larping about?

    Some corrupted sources written later that claim these Albanians as Serbs, that's your ''historical evidence '' ?

    One early account states that in Prishtina 5,000 Arnauts, having thrown off the Turks and many leaders of the surrounding places ... swore fealty to the Emperor.



    Among the papers of Ludwig von Baden in Karlsruhe, there is a copy of an intercepted letter, in French, written by a secretary of the English Embassy in Istanbul on 19 January 1690: it reports that the 'Germans' in Kosovo have made contact with 20,000 Albanians who have turned their weapons against the Turks.


    And one of Piccolominis own officers, Colonel von Strasser, reported to Ludwig von Baden that Piccolomini had gone to Prizren in order to treat with 'The Albanians, Arnauts, and others (mit den Albanesernen, Arnauten und anderen')

    Count Veterani, the commander of the Austrian campaign in this part of the Balkans in 1690, wrote in his memoirs of 20,000 Arnauts reduced to loyal obedience to the Emperor Piccolomini
    So youre telling me hundreds of thousands of Serbs left Kosova in 1690 after an Albanian revolt?

    Slavs in Kosova had more population loss because after the revolt Western Kosova fell quickly under Ottoman rule again while Eastern part, which had large Slavic population, did not until later and which allowed more people to flee, but the numbers are nowhere near 30 or 40k . Many of the refugees that settled Hungary came from Serbia and other areas
    This is not counting all the refugees that returned back

    Even the earliest sources state the refugees came from Belgrade and to Hungary.

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