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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Only Vojvodina Serbs have significant Kosovo origin. And by Vojvodina Serbs I mean those that are there for centuries, not recent dinaric colonists.
    It's visible in their south shifted autosomal DNA too, lots of E-V13 haplogroups and so.

    Croatian and Bosnian Serbs are dinaric by origin, mainly from Herzegovina and to lesser extent Montenegro.
    Vojvodina was occupied by Serbs and Hungarians. Vojvodina had significant Serb population from before Ottomans.

    Show me a research that demonstrates Serbs from Vojvodina have Kosovo origin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizz View Post
    Vojvodina was occupied by Serbs and Hungarians. Vojvodina had significant Serb population from before Ottomans.

    Show me a research that demonstrates Serbs from Vojvodina have Kosovo origin
    I don't need to show you any research, it's a common knowledge. And no, before Ottoman attacks, Serb presence was pretty irrelevant in Vojvodina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Only Vojvodina Serbs have significant Kosovo origin. And by Vojvodina Serbs I mean those that are there for centuries, not recent dinaric colonists.
    It's visible in their south shifted autosomal DNA too, lots of E-V13 haplogroups and so.

    Croatian and Bosnian Serbs are dinaric by origin, mainly from Herzegovina and to lesser extent Montenegro.
    Banat together with Montenegrin Brda is only Serbian region where I2 and E are similar, in all other regions I2 is stronger or significant stronger.

    From the public base of Serbian DNA project.

    Banat (without Romanian part) - 87 samples
    I2 24
    E 24
    J2 14
    R1b 8
    R1a 7
    I1 6
    N 3
    etc.

    Syrmia - 67 samples
    I2 19
    E 14
    R1a 14
    J2 7
    I1 6
    R1b 3
    N 2
    etc.

    Bačka - 107 samples
    I2 43
    R1a 15
    I1 15
    E 12
    R1b 10
    J2 5
    N 3
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    How is that relevant? Most of Vojvodina Serbs are recent settlers like Dušan or you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    There was certain medieval Serb presence in Macedonia. Capital of Dušan Empire was located there. But they never formed majority in Macedonia.
    Core of Serb ethnic group is present day southwestern Serbia and northern Montenegro, today known as Sandžak.
    Yes of course, their presence was even in Albania. Even some Albanians fled Ottomans to Ukraine and Italy. Just like some Serbs fled. But nothing suggests entire ethnic groups fleeing the Ottomans. Many people actually served the Ottomans. The Serbian despot became an Ottoman vassal. There were both Muslim and Orthodox that served the Ottomans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizz View Post
    Yes of course, their presence was even in Albania. Even some Albanians fled Ottomans to Ukraine and Italy. Just like some Serbs fled. But nothing suggests entire ethnic groups fleeing the Ottomans. Many people actually served the Ottomans.
    The group that migrated north was ethnically mixed, but pred. Serb. There were also Albanians and other groups in their ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    I don't need to show you any research, it's a common knowledge. And no, before Ottoman attacks, Serb presence was pretty irrelevant in Vojvodina.
    It's definitely not common knowledge but total myth started in the 19th century

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    How is that relevant? Most of Vojvodina Serbs are recent settlers like Dušan or you.
    In the public base by regions of Vojvodina (Syrmia, Bačka and Banat) are results of individuals whose families live in Vojvodina minimum 100 years. For example tested Serbs from Vojvodina who whose paternal line came from Lika after WW2 are counted among Lika Serbs. For Kosovo is the limit minimum 150 years to be counted among Kosovo Serbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    In the public base by regions of Vojvodina (Syrmia, Bačka and Banat) are results of individuals whose families live in Vojvodina minimum 100 years. For example tested Serbs from Vojvodina who whose paternal line came from Lika after WW2 are counted among Lika Serbs. For Kosovo is the limit minimum 150 years to be counted among Kosovo Serbs.
    Okay, but 100 years is too little because many dinaric Serbs moved to Vojvodina 100+ years ago.
    I am partly Vojvodina Serb and my ancestors came there in 19. century from Lika, so they are fully dinaric but would be counted among natives in that statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    The group that migrated north was ethnically mixed, but pred. Serb. There were also Albanians and other groups in their ranks.
    What groups are you talking about?


    You mean the theory that claims these people fled Kosova from the Ottomans after a revolt? How come Austrian sources from 1690 describe the revolt as Albanian? Can you show me a source from 1690 that describes a Serbian revolt in Kosova? They are all sources written later.

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