Is The Old Testment still Valid For Christians?

[Joso]

Or is it more of a Jewish thing?
I am protestant but i always admired the emphazys that catholics to do the new testment, by the way

[CordedWhelp]

Or is it more of a Jewish thing?
I am protestant but i always admired the emphazys that catholics to do the new testment, by the way

Yes. I am something of a Messianic Jew myself, minus any respect for the Talmud. I think some Christians confuse His saying that He came to “fulfill The Law” as meaning “The Law is no more”. This is not true. I have come into the understanding that we must keep the Seventh Day sabbath, etc...

[Joso]

Bump

[Zroota]

For Protestant Christians it seems to be.

[Wanderer]

Yes. I am something of a Messianic Jew myself, minus any respect for the Talmud. I think some Christians confuse His saying that He came to “fulfill The Law” as meaning “The Law is no more”. This is not true. I have come into the understanding that we must keep the Seventh Day sabbath, etc...

I almost fell into this thinking, myself.

I recommend reading this sermon.

"Christian or Sabbatarian?
You Cannot Be Both"

http://www.letgodbetrue.com/sermons/...ism/sermon.php

Also pertains to the thread, more generally. When we deal with the ceremonial aspects of the Old Testament, we're dealing with types and shadows: adumbrations of things to come. Jesus, however, is the Light (John 8:12), and thus superior in every way to shadows. In comparison to Light, shadows are darkness!

Paul wrote extensively to combat Jewish legalism. His words are very clear in Colossians 2:16-17:

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

[Joso]

I almost fell into this thinking, myself.

I recommend reading this sermon.

"Christian or Sabbatarian?
You Cannot Be Both"

http://www.letgodbetrue.com/sermons/...ism/sermon.php

Also pertains to the thread, more generally. When we deal with the ceremonial aspects of the Old Testament, we're dealing with types and shadows: adumbrations of things to come. Jesus, however, is the Light (John 8:12), and thus superior in every way to shadows. In comparison to Light, shadows are darkness!

Paul wrote extensively to combat Jewish legalism. His words are very clear in Colossians 2:16-17:

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Very good answer, my brother!
I will post the full Collossians 2:
"2:1 I want you to know how hard I am contending for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally. 2 My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments. 5 For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how disciplined you are and how firm your faith in Christ is.

Spiritual Fullness in Christ
6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him, 7 rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces[a] of this world rather than on Christ.

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. 11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by[c] Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[d] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[e]

Freedom From Human Rules
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence."

I think that I Coritnhians 13 also helps to understand more about it:

"13:1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."

[Joso]

I almost fell into this thinking, myself.

I recommend reading this sermon.

"Christian or Sabbatarian?
You Cannot Be Both"

http://www.letgodbetrue.com/sermons/...ism/sermon.php

Also pertains to the thread, more generally. When we deal with the ceremonial aspects of the Old Testament, we're dealing with types and shadows: adumbrations of things to come. Jesus, however, is the Light (John 8:12), and thus superior in every way to shadows. In comparison to Light, shadows are darkness!

Paul wrote extensively to combat Jewish legalism. His words are very clear in Colossians 2:16-17:

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Are you catholic or protestant?

[Mortimer]

It is still valid in my opinion. Both compliment eatch other and the Old Testament for christians is more a narration of stories then commandments.

[Wanderer]

Are you catholic or protestant?

Well, after I became a Christian (it's still been less than a year for me), I joined an Assemblies of God church, but I'm thinking about leaving it and I think I probably will. It's not that I dislike my particular congregation or pastor, but I disagree with the Arminian theology of the AOG organization. And it's the worst kind of Arminianism: i.e., the consistent kind. The AOG denies the eternal security of the believer (nevertheless, the Bible teaches it... e.g.: Luke 15:4-7; John 6:39, 10:27-29; Romans 8:28-39; Ephesians 1:3-6).

Ideally, I'd like to find a good Baptist church. Baptists actually aren't Protestant, because Baptists existed outside of Rome through the ages and did not originate from the Roman Catholic apostate church. And Baptists suffered persecution from both Catholics and Protestants.

[Joso]

Well, after I became a Christian (it's still been less than a year for me), I joined an Assemblies of God church, but I'm thinking about leaving it and I think I probably will. It's not that I dislike my particular congregation or pastor, but I disagree with the Arminian theology of the AOG organization. And it's the worst kind of Arminianism: i.e., the consistent kind. The AOG denies the eternal security of the believer (nevertheless, the Bible teaches it... e.g.; Luke 15:4-7; John 6:39, 10:27-29; Romans 8:28-39; Ephesians 1:3-6).

Ideally, I'd like to find a good Baptist church. Baptists actually aren't Protestant, because Baptists existed outside of Rome through the ages and did not originate from the Roman Catholic apostate church. And Baptists suffered persecution from both Catholics and Protestants.

Interesting.
So do you say that Christians are saved by grace and that law is not so important?