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    Default I am partial to art that indirectly references ding an sich, as/or so I perceive it

    Be it poetic indirectness ŕ la Verlaine's languor, filmic indirection such as Lynch and Mann are capable of, music arousing an emotional reaction by referencing the vaguest lines of thought - something by Moby, for instance:


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    For me, the art that you describe above (whether realized via poetry, music, or film), gives me an uneasy feeling when it predominates the entire piece. Generally making me want to get away from it, to escape, to run. Because I just don't know what it is, and I become impatient enduring the uncomfortable emotions elicited by it.

    I will say, when aspects of this artistic approach are grounded by larger a framework of things that are knowable and familiar, a larger overall structure - I can find the whole experience very affecting and appealing.

    I am trying to think of a work of art that incorporates small ding an sich episodes, combined with more conventional storytelling, but I am struggling for a good example right now..

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    Harry Partch, if you have never heard of him, was a 20th century composer who felt 12 notes to the octave was insufficient. He believed there were 43 notes to the octave, micro-tonal music so to speak. He created a way to write this music down, and he invented new instruments to play it.

    I find the resulting music feels a lot like what you describe in the op, if I am understanding you correctly.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post
    For me, the art that you describe above (whether realized via poetry, music, or film), gives me an uneasy feeling when it predominates the entire piece. Generally making me want to get away from it, to escape, to run. Because I just don't know what it is, and I become impatient enduring the uncomfortable emotions elicited by it.

    I will say, when aspects of this artistic approach are grounded by larger a framework of things that are knowable and familiar, a larger overall structure - I can find the whole experience very affecting and appealing.

    I am trying to think of a work of art that incorporates small ding an sich episodes, combined with more conventional storytelling, but I am struggling for a good example right now..
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post
    Harry Partch, if you have never heard of him, was a 20th century composer who felt 12 notes to the octave was insufficient. He believed there were 43 notes to the octave, micro-tonal music so to speak. He created a way to write this music down, and he invented new instruments to play it.

    I find the resulting music feels a lot like what you describe in the op, if I am understanding you correctly.


    Thank you for your interesting posts.
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    Pardon my ignorance, but I always thought Ding an sich was roughly equivalent to God, or something similar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Óttar View Post
    Pardon my ignorance, but I always thought Ding an sich was roughly equivalent to God, or something similar.
    From Oxford Reference:

    In Kantian metaphysics the thing in itself exists independently of us, unfiltered by the forms of sense. It is not in space or time, and cannot be known.

    TA's philosophy aficionados will be able to give a more substantial answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dna8 View Post
    Thank you for your interesting posts.
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    Thank you for your original post sir, it pushed me to think - and to look up the definition of ding an sich

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dna8 View Post
    From Oxford Reference:

    In Kantian metaphysics the thing in itself exists independently of us, unfiltered by the forms of sense. It is not in space or time, and cannot be known.

    TA's philosophy aficionados will be able to give a more substantial answer.
    Hmmm, I may have mis-interpreted what you were conveying. If what you are describing is that special magic, a sequence of chords and lyrics perhaps, or a powerful scene in film for example. And, in that moment, the song, the poem, or film inexplicably elicits tears or euphoria, or both. Oh yeah man, I live for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post
    Oh yeah man, I live for that.
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