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[Gallop]

I'm guessing prior to Carthaginians and possibly Late Neolithic. Really, ask on Anthrogenica.

OK thank you very much.

[Pine]

OK thank you very much.

I'm not good at this when it gets that specific - you should ask on Anthrogenica.

[Gallop]

I can't hide it any longer. I am not in favor of telling something without tangible evidence, but at this crucial moment I have no other possibility.

Although at the moment I cannot prove it in my paternal family there is an oral tradition that has been passed from generation to generation and that several elderly members of my paternal family have told me: We descend from a deserter of Napoleon's troops during the Napoleonic invasion in Spain .

We come from a French soldier from Napoleon who changed his last name. That's more or less how my old uncles have told me about my father and also a sister of his.

[Artek]

I can't hide it any longer. I am not in favor of telling something without tangible evidence, but at this crucial moment I have no other possibility.

Although at the moment I cannot prove it in my paternal family there is an oral tradition that has been passed from generation to generation and that several elderly members of my paternal family have told me: We descend from a deserter of Napoleon's troops during the Napoleonic invasion in Spain .

We come from a French soldier from Napoleon who changed his last name. That's more or less how my old uncles have told me about my father and also a sister of his.

So we now have to wait for any French sample to come up. But as it was said by someone before - we can easily eliminate a possibility that your line was Northern African or Ashkenazi. I am quite sure it migrated from Levant but it is hard to specify the exact timeframe. May be with the Sea People, may be with the Roman Empire or Crusades. You may need patience to work it out but that's good you have done full sequence.

[Gallop]

The Y-DNA haplogroup family E is also common in West Asia as well as
in Africa. Its branch E1b1b developed in northeastern Africa and E1b1b’s
descendant branches settled mainly in West Asia, North Africa, and Europe.
Four participants with solidly confirmed Crimean Karaite ancestry were
found to belong to E1b1b1 or a descendant of it.
Sample K16’s Y-DNA belongs to E1b1b1 (E-L117). He is one step mutation from a man from France and an Italian from Sicily and two step mutations from one man each from Spain and the United Kingdom at the 25-
marker level. At the 12-marker level he is an exact match with two Ashkenazim from Poland, an Ashkenazi from Russia, two Ashkenazim from
Ukraine, two other people from Russia, two others from Poland, one other
from Ukraine, eleven from Germany, one from the Netherlands, one from
Italy, one from Cyprus, five from the United Kingdom (two of whom are
specified as England and one as Scotland), and one from Switzerland

Sample K09’s Y-DNA belongs to E1b1b1a1c (E-V22). At the 12-marker
level he is one step mutation from a Mizrahi from Iraq, a Saudi Arabian, an
Albanian, and one man from Belgium.


About the Khazars
http://www.karam.org.tr/Makaleler/90...5-%20Brook.pdf

[Pine]

The Y-DNA haplogroup family E is also common in West Asia as well as
in Africa. Its branch E1b1b developed in northeastern Africa and E1b1b’s
descendant branches settled mainly in West Asia, North Africa, and Europe.
Four participants with solidly confirmed Crimean Karaite ancestry were
found to belong to E1b1b1 or a descendant of it.
Sample K16’s Y-DNA belongs to E1b1b1 (E-L117). He is one step mutation from a man from France and an Italian from Sicily and two step mutations from one man each from Spain and the United Kingdom at the 25-
marker level. At the 12-marker level he is an exact match with two Ashkenazim from Poland, an Ashkenazi from Russia, two Ashkenazim from
Ukraine, two other people from Russia, two others from Poland, one other
from Ukraine, eleven from Germany, one from the Netherlands, one from
Italy, one from Cyprus, five from the United Kingdom (two of whom are
specified as England and one as Scotland), and one from Switzerland

Sample K09’s Y-DNA belongs to E1b1b1a1c (E-V22). At the 12-marker
level he is one step mutation from a Mizrahi from Iraq, a Saudi Arabian, an
Albanian, and one man from Belgium.


About the Khazars
http://www.karam.org.tr/Makaleler/90...5-%20Brook.pdf

Why are you linking Brooks' Karaim study? Also, his study disproves that Crimean Karaites are Khazars. Did you read it?

[Gallop]

^^

I am gathering all the information I find.

[Pine]

^^

I am gathering all the information I find.

Are you reading it or just gathering it?

[Gallop]

What do you think of my reference and the group I occupy?

[Pine]

What do you think of my reference and the group I occupy?

It's possible that you're an early Jewish split, but there isn't enough info yet. I saw a similar case for another clade today. One branch had a Dutchman and a Spaniard; the one next to it was Ashkenazi. Both branches were Middle Eastern in origin.