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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggery View Post
    Ok friend, as you say, the Spanish are descendants of Greeks and Moors. You can now calm your agenda.
    I never went to that extreme. I said more than once that the Spanish are primarily Roman. I just think there's a large enough Moorish substrate that's worth recognizing, but some nordicists and nationalists want to wipe out an entire chapter of Spanish history and culture. Spain was enhanced by its contact with the Moors, and their contributions to Spanish society and DNA deserve some degree of credit.
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    Josefa del Águila Ceballos of Federico de Madrazo


    Josefa del Águila Ceballos, then Marquise de Espeja, by Federico de Madrazo and Kuntz, 1852, oil on canvas, 220 x 130 cm, Madrid, Museo Nacional del Prado. Donation of Alicia Koplowitz, 2018.

    The portrayed, Mrs. Josefa del Águila and Ceballos Alvarado and Álvarez de Faria (San Sebastián, February 16, 1826-Madrid, December 26, 1888), married in 1850 with José María Narváez, II Viscount of Aliatar and years later II Duke of Valencia was 26 years old when, according to the date of the canvas, the portrait was made, which was completed two years later by the artist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurgan View Post
    I never went to that extreme. I said more than once that the Spanish are primarily Roman. I just think there's a large enough Moorish substrate that's worth recognizing, but some nordicists and nationalists want to wipe out an entire chapter of Spanish history and culture. Spain was enhanced by its contact with the Moors, and their contributions to Spanish society and DNA deserve some degree of credit.
    Mostly Celtiberian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurgan View Post
    I never went to that extreme. I said more than once that the Spanish are primarily Roman. I just think there's a large enough Moorish substrate that's worth recognizing, but some nordicists and nationalists want to wipe out an entire chapter of Spanish history and culture. Spain was enhanced by its contact with the Moors, and their contributions to Spanish society and DNA deserve some degree of credit.
    You said 2 false things, the Spaniards are not more Roman or more Moors.

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    Last edited by Gallop; 11-09-2019 at 06:40 PM.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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