Wedding with the Bulgarians who profess Islam - Pomaks.

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Moje ime; 6297306] Имали ли са те някога политически идеи за раздяла с България? [/ QUOTE]
Following the Treaty of Berlin, under the influence of an English officer of Polish descent, Sankler Tamrash, along with 20 other Pomak villages in the Vacha and Devin regions, refused to acknowledge the autonomous rule of Eastern Rumelia based in Plovdiv and remain "unattached" to it. Under the leadership of Ahmed aga, the Tumreshliya from the village of Tumresh, the so-called "Pomak" or "Tamrush Republic" was formed. There are various reasons for secession: economic, foreign influence, and Eastern Rumelian domination. After the annexation of Eastern Rumelia by the Principality of Bulgaria in 1885, these parts of the Rhodope Mountains were returned to the Ottoman Empire by virtue of the Tophana Act, and were annexed to Bulgaria during the Balkan War (1912). After 16 August 1913 the Republic of Gümürdzin was proclaimed. Turks and Pomaks proclaim autonomy for the territory between Maritsa, Mesta and Arda and set up the so-called "Independent West-Thracian Government", headed by Hajj Sali Efendi (Hafuz Sali), a Pomak from Pandzhuk village.
In late August and early September 1913, an uprising broke out in the area of ​​Deuven (Devin), which also encompassed surrounding villages in the Western and partly the Central Rhodopes.
From 1942 to 1946, Pomak guerrilla troops supported by the British roamed the border regions of the Southern Rhodopes. The most famous among the leaders of these companies is Alireza Kehayov from the village of Chavdar, Dospatsko. Following the failure of these troops to separate the Pomak region of the Rhodope Mountains from Bulgaria with the help of the British, much of the partisans, including Alireza Kehayov, fled to Turkey. This was also the reason for launching a campaign for the internment of the border Pomak population in Northern Bulgaria from 1949 to 1951.

[PAGANE]

[Archduke]

They are Bulgarians, but not Christians. We do not distinguish between them and us Christians. We love and respect, they are extremely hardworking, hospitable and kindhearted people

That's not true.

The regular, christian Bulgarian doesn't feel related to Pomaks. For most of us, they are closer to Turks.

Unofrtunately the Bulgarian identity is based on Orthodox Christianity. Pomaks can only be accepted by other Bulgarians if they abandon their traditional lifestyle. Or at places where the population is mixed Bulgarian-Pomak and the local Christian Bulgarians are very much aware of the situation of their Muslim brothers.

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = ерцхерцог; 6297378] Това не е вярно.

Редовният християнин българин не се чувства свързан с помаците. За повечето от нас те са по-близки до турците.

Безупречно българската идентичност се основава на православното християнство. Помаците могат да бъдат приети от други българи само ако се откажат от традиционния си начин на живот. Или на места, където населението е смесено българо-помашко, а местните българи християни са много наясно с положението на своите братя мюсюлмани. [/ ЦИТО]
This is your personal opinion and it is not shared by most Bulgarians.

[Archduke]

[QUOTE = ерцхерцог; 6297378] Това не е вярно.

Редовният християнин българин не се чувства свързан с помаците. За повечето от нас те са по-близки до турците.

Безупречно българската идентичност се основава на православното християнство. Помаците могат да бъдат приети от други българи само ако се откажат от традиционния си начин на живот. Или на места, където населението е смесено българо-помашко, а местните българи християни са много наясно с положението на своите братя мюсюлмани. [/ ЦИТО]
This is your personal opinion and it is not shared by most Bulgarians.

My personal opinion is that these people are our kin and we must accept them the way they are. Reallity, though, is quite different.

[Kaspias]

[QUOTE = Moje ime; 6297306] Имали ли са те някога политически идеи за раздяла с България? [/ QUOTE]
Following the Treaty of Berlin, under the influence of an English officer of Polish descent, Sankler Tamrash, along with 20 other Pomak villages in the Vacha and Devin regions, refused to acknowledge the autonomous rule of Eastern Rumelia based in Plovdiv and remain "unattached" to it. Under the leadership of Ahmed aga, the Tumreshliya from the village of Tumresh, the so-called "Pomak" or "Tamrush Republic" was formed. There are various reasons for secession: economic, foreign influence, and Eastern Rumelian domination. After the annexation of Eastern Rumelia by the Principality of Bulgaria in 1885, these parts of the Rhodope Mountains were returned to the Ottoman Empire by virtue of the Tophana Act, and were annexed to Bulgaria during the Balkan War (1912). After 16 August 1913 the Republic of Gümürdzin was proclaimed. Turks and Pomaks proclaim autonomy for the territory between Maritsa, Mesta and Arda and set up the so-called "Independent West-Thracian Government", headed by Hajj Sali Efendi (Hafuz Sali), a Pomak from Pandzhuk village.
In late August and early September 1913, an uprising broke out in the area of ​​Deuven (Devin), which also encompassed surrounding villages in the Western and partly the Central Rhodopes.
From 1942 to 1946, Pomak guerrilla troops supported by the British roamed the border regions of the Southern Rhodopes. The most famous among the leaders of these companies is Alireza Kehayov from the village of Chavdar, Dospatsko. Following the failure of these troops to separate the Pomak region of the Rhodope Mountains from Bulgaria with the help of the British, much of the partisans, including Alireza Kehayov, fled to Turkey. This was also the reason for launching a campaign for the internment of the border Pomak population in Northern Bulgaria from 1949 to 1951.

Според генетичните резултати, които съм виждал, мисля, че западната Тракия помаци (също кърджалийски помаци като от Тихомир и др.) И българските помаци не са съвсем едно и също население. Чували ли сте нещо по въпроса? Какво мислиш?

That's not true.

The regular, christian Bulgarian doesn't feel related to Pomaks. For most of us, they are closer to Turks.

Unofrtunately the Bulgarian identity is based on Orthodox Christianity. Pomaks can only be accepted by other Bulgarians if they abandon their traditional lifestyle. Or at places where the population is mixed Bulgarian-Pomak and the local Christian Bulgarians are very much aware of the situation of their Muslim brothers.

The regular Turkish thinks Pomaks are Turkish. In my experience except for some regions of Plovdiv where Muslims and Christians live together, most of the Pomaks would prefer Turkish identity, too. In Western Thrace, this statistic can reach even to 95-100%.

On the other hand, I really bored with the ethnic discussion of Pomaks. Why people just don't let them be Pomak instead of Bulgarian or Turkish? That's actually simple.

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = ерцхерцог; 6297391] Моето лично мнение е, че тези хора са наш род и трябва да ги приемем такива, каквито са. Reallity обаче е съвсем различна. [/ QUOTE]

Show which Bulgarians, where, when and how do they not accept the Pomaks as their own?

[War Chef]

The whole town will know what they will be doing on that bed tonight. Super awkward wedding.
Actually all weddings.

[Óttar]

The carpets and tents make me think of Bulgar tribal people.

[Thracian]

That is a great tradition and hope both Bulgarians and Pomaks will keep it. As far as I know, some Romanians also have this one.