Was Serbian behaviour in the 1990's really much worse than Israeli behaviour from 1948 up to now?

[sean]

With all due respect, we seem to have mostly missed the intention of my thread, which is to compare Serb behaviour to that of Israel.

You want to understand the world, this is it lel.

[Tooting Carmen]

The fact Israel supported Serbia throughout most of the 90's was one of its biggest departures from mainstream Western foreign policy.

[Tooting Carmen]

What reason would that be

That for all its undoubted flaws and sins, Israel is still a more secular, science-based and rational society than most of its Islamic neighbours are.

[Tooting Carmen]

Here is the key quote:

In the wildest dreams of neither Israel's staunchest supporters nor
harshest detractors has Israel committed anything like the crimes of Serbia and
proxies in this (Bosnian) war . Critics (or alternatively guilt-ridden Israelis) may seek to
compare the flight/expulsion of Palestinians in 1948 with Serbian ethnic cleansing. But the 1948 war began with the attempt to expunge at birth the new UN declared partition state of Israel, as Serbia has attempted with Bosnia. Thus both
the evil attempted by the Arab states and the evil subsequently committed by
Israel are incarnated in Serbia' s policy toward Bosnia . But there is also no
comparison between the "ethnic cleansing" of Palestine and of Bosnia. In the
former, there really were atrocities committed by both sides on a rather similar
scale. Moreover, that scale doesn't approach what Bosnian Serb forces did in a
few days alone around Srebrenica. The largest massacre in 1948 was at Deir
Yassin, where 242 Palestinians were killed. Three days later Arabs killed seventy-seven Jewish doctors and nurses en route to the Hadassah hospital at Mount
Scopus. A handful of smaller massacres occurred on both sides, including a
terrorist bomb in Jerusalem that claimed fifty-five mainly Jewish lives. Awkward
as it is to point out, the victims on both sides are in the same ballpark—which is
scarcely Little League size for even two days of serious Serbian cleansing. Israeli
internalization of decades of demonization by the Soviet bloc and Arab states
thus presents a fascinating case study for social psychology.

[Robocop]

Well depends on perspective, Israelis are good and HOLY PEOPLE and Serbs are all EVIL SATANS, DEMONS THEMSELVES hahahahahahha, joke joke.

Wtf man.

Serbian nation is not to be blame for wars in 90's, they had idiots in govermont, I dont think many Serbs identify with Milosevic, not even those most hardcore serbian nationalists.

In the end we all had our mistakes in 90's not only Serbs.

It's time TO MOVE FUCKING ON. WE HAVE NOW BIGGER FISH TO FRY which is; how THE FUCK WE SAVE THIS CONTINENT and our people from those FUCKING ARAB-ANIMAL migrants??????

[Tooting Carmen]

Well depends on perspective, Israelis are good and HOLY PEOPLE and Serbs are all EVIL SATANS, DEMONS THEMSELVES hahahahahahha, joke joke.

Wtf man.

Serbian nation is not to be blame for wars in 90's, they had idiots in govermont, I dont think many Serbs identify with Milosevic, not even those most hardcore serbian nationalists.

In the end we all had our mistakes in 90's not only Serbs.

It's time TO MOVE FUCKING ON. WE HAVE NOW BIGGER FISH TO FRY which is; how THE FUCK WE SAVE THIS CONTINENT and our people from those FUCKING ARAB-ANIMAL migrants??????

When I posed the question, I was only playing devil's advocate, based mostly on what a co-author (who himself was Israeli) wrote in a chapter of a book entitled This Time We Knew: Western Responses To The Genocide In Bosnia.

[Robocop]

When I posed the question, I was only playing devil's advocate, based mostly on what a co-author (who himself was Israeli) wrote in a chapter of a book entitled This Time We Knew: Western Responses To The Genocide In Bosnia.

NO NATION can be blame for acts of few amongst them. All nations had bad times in their history, evil times, but we cannot judge them for that as nation.

I can tell people here, me as Croatian, that before WW2 Serbian army and soldiers were one of the most HONORABLE soldiers and warriors, respected by everyone around them, even by their enemies.

There, one good thing to be said for Serbs from Croatian.

[Tooting Carmen]

NO NATION can be blame for acts of few amongst them. All nations had bad times in their history, evil times, but we cannot judge them for that as nation.

I can tell people here, me as Croatian, that before WW2 Serbian army and soldiers were one of the most HONORABLE soldiers and warriors, respected by everyone around them, even by their enemies.

There, one good thing to be said for Serbs from Croatian.

I'm ambivalent about the 'collective responsibility' doctrine. Of course, the actual perpetrators of monstrous acts in any given nation are a minority, but the point is they have to operate in an environment where many more people are at least passive and indifferent if not wholly supportive of such acts. To use the most blatant and oft-repeated example: the Holocaust didn't emerge in a vacuum, it took place in large part because of the obsessional hatred many Germans felt towards Jews.

[Dna8]

In the end we all had our mistakes in 90's not only Serbs.

Agreed.

We, all of us, ashamed ourselves.

[Aldaris]

I'm ambivalent about the 'collective responsibility' doctrine. Of course, the actual perpetrators of monstrous acts in any given nation are a minority, but the point is they have to operate in an environment where many more people are at least passive and indifferent if not wholly supportive of such acts. To use the most blatant and oft-repeated example: the Holocaust didn't emerge in a vacuum, it took place in large part because of the obsessional hatred many Germans felt towards Jews.

That's assuming the people in the said environment have accurate conception of what's going on, which is not the case, more often than not. The actual perpetrators have their means to keep the population thinking they are actually the good guys through cover-up and propaganda, which usually works just fine, as an average citizen isn't an informationally literate expert in geopolitics. In case of Germans though, this wasn't the case. The media at that time, as well as speeches of nazi leaders were very direct about the Holocaust, so one can argue for collective guilt of Germans as a whole. Civilized people, yeah, right.