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    Quote Originally Posted by Turul Karom View Post
    I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say. Your source is from 2010. It'sthe same chart you posted on that three threads. Do you realize what this discussion is about?

    I explained to you the scope of this study in the very text you quoted. They are fundamentally different in both time (publishing date) and clarity (because of advancing understanding of genome).
    The time doesn't matter, just because my source is 9 years old it's still valid and this is the one and only source which based on the complete conqueror population not only the elite as yours. And this shows clearly why are you propagandist, because if something can't pass in your dream world you deny and ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    The time doesn't matter, just because my source is 9 years old it's still valid and this is the one and only source which based on the complete conqueror population not only the elite as yours. And this shows clearly why are you propagandist, because if something can't pass in your dream world you deny and ignore it.
    It's impossible to analyze the "complete" conquering population because:
    1) we will never have all of the graves
    2) we have not gotten enough downstream haplogroups

    According to your logic, which was bolded "complete", I guess the Árpáds were not Hungarians because their haplogroups were not confirmed until years later.

    By the way, they match the Osman dynasty.

    Humorous.

    Again you miss the entire point of the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turul Karom View Post
    It's impossible to analyze the "complete" conquering population because:
    1) we will never have all of the graves
    2) we have not gotten enough downstream haplogroups
    Doesn't matter, my source is based on the complete conqueror population your source based on the elite class.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turul Karom View Post
    According to your logic, which was bolded "complete", I guess the Árpáds were not Hungarians because their haplogroups were not confirmed until years later.
    This is not my logic, i always said they were multiethnic tribal alliance, the big genetic diversity show it as well, you claim that they were only homogenous turkic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turul Karom View Post
    By the way, they match the Osman dynasty..
    The r1a-z93 of Ottoman Dynasty isn't turkic originally but iranic. This marker originated from Ukraine, proto-turkics are not from Ukraine... i don't know why don't you understand it.


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    Well they certainly were Turanic in Otto's eyes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post

    The r1a-z93 of Ottoman Dynasty isn't turkic originally but iranic. This marker originated from Ukraine, proto-turkics are not from Ukraine... i don't know why don't you understand it.

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    Yes it's proto-iranic. HG of early Aryans and Scythians.

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    The oldest R1 haplogroup is from Siberia and known as Maaltaa boy. 20.000 years old. There was barely a Europid and Mongoloid separation back then, let aside Iranic existence.

    Ancient Magyars certainly were not Iranians either. We can follow their historical evolution ever since they were pushed out from their ancestral land East of Atil River by Pechenegs, then moving to "Etelköz" (Western Ukraine) where upon approval of Turkic-Khazar Kaghan a certain Arpad is lifted in the air on a shield (old tradition among Turkish and Mongol people) up until Magyars launch their devastating raids into Germanic Western Europe even reaching Spain in mid 9th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turxanthus View Post
    The oldest R1 haplogroup is from Siberia and known as Maaltaa boy. 20.000 years old. There was barely a Europid and Mongoloid separation back then, let aside Iranic existence.

    Ancient Magyars certainly were not Iranians either. We can follow their historical evolution ever since they were pushed out from their ancestral land East of Atil River by Pechenegs, then moving to "Etelköz" (Western Ukraine) where upon approval of Turkic-Khazar Kaghan a certain Arpad is lifted in the air on a shield (old tradition among Turkish and Mongol people) up until Magyars launch their devastating raids into Germanic Western Europe even reaching Spain in mid 9th century.
    Obviously some of R1a can come from Magyars and Turkics no one is denying that.
    That doesn't change the fact that R1a-z93 is from Eastern Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turxanthus View Post
    The oldest R1 haplogroup is from Siberia and known as Maaltaa boy. 20.000 years old. There was barely a Europid and Mongoloid separation back then, let aside Iranic existence.
    We are talking about r1a-z93 not R1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Doesn't matter, my source is based on the complete conqueror population your source based on the elite class.
    Again, you can't have it based on the entire conqueror population because it didn't even include the Árpáds at that time. Therefore, you must think they are not Hungarian since they fall outside of your collection data.

    The r1a-z93 of Ottoman Dynasty isn't turkic originally but iranic. This marker originated from Ukraine, proto-turkics are not from Ukraine... i don't know why don't you understand it.

    This is not my logic, i always said they were multiethnic tribal alliance, the big genetic diversity show it as well, you claim that they were only homogenous turkic.
    I will delete my account from The Apricity if you can prove to me that I have ever said that the conquering Hungarians were only homogeneous Turkic without any other cultural or DNA mix.

    You're looking to be a (bad) propagandist when all I ever seek is conversation and discovery. You like to talk about me a lot too, it seems, with others as well in threads while I don't speak about you ever. Perhaps you should read how I spoke with Stears and his wife Feiichy over the years to learn how people can help one another, such as in his DNA thread. Feiichy has become quite friendly and kind, and even Stears was less obsessed with me than you. There comes a point when it is just weird.

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    Even in this study it appears that the Hungarian elite had a very heterogeneous origin, reaching from almost all the two West-East extremes of Eurasia. Of course an autosomal study would finally paint a more realistic picture, from where exactly they were from in Eurasia, but until then it can be speculated that a Central Asian or even East Asian warrior population has conquered the Uralic-Scythian Old Hungarians, and together they moved into the Carpathian Basin, where this Turkic elite (possibly already Hungarianized) still lived separated from the regular Hungarians a few decades, until the tribal society was mostly abandoned, and the kingdom was established.

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