Classify my whole family

**mergen3** · 08-13-2021, 01:55 PM

Bump

Redmi Note 7 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi

**placebo** · 08-13-2021, 02:13 PM

Your family is a reflection of Turkey. This diversity in your family shows how diverse the Turkey is.

**Kaspias** · 08-13-2021, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by mergen3

maybe...family elders used to say that we came from Khorasan . before coming to anatolia. turkish alawites also generally said that we came from Khorasan.

Does your family bear a strong Yörük identification or you said it so because the region you are from is mostly Yörük of origin?

Once there was a differentiation in the terms of Türkmen and Yörük, I'm trying to figure out when these two were bound to each other, and why there are two different namings in the historical records.

**Hektor12** · 08-13-2021, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

Once there was a differentiation in the terms of Türkmen and Yörük, I'm trying to figure out when these two were bound to each other, and why there are two different namings in the historical records.

As far as i know, after forced settlement of nomadic Türkmens, some of them remained nomadic or semi-nomadic and they were called Yörük because only nomads alowed were Yörüks.

**Kaspias** · 08-13-2021, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Hektor12

As far as i know, after forced settlement of nomadic Türkmens, some of them remained nomadic or semi-nomadic and they were called Yörük because only nomads alowed were Yörüks.

Well, that's the most common explanation but I'm not sure honestly, tahrir defters of Western Anatolia do not mention the name Turkmen before the 15th century despite we know that there were settled Turks at that time period. Yörüks were registered with their own name, and Turks were registered with the name Muslim, probably due to the disappearance of natural barriers between native people and Turks who left nomadism. After the 16th century, the term Turkmen were started to appear all over Anatolia and even in the Balkans, before that it was prominent only in Eastern Anatolia.

These all make me think that those Turkmens who were settled around Turcomania might be a late wave of Turkic migration, have origin from Khorasan, and migrated separately from the early comer Turks(Yörüks) later settled to the Eastern Anatolia and preserved the name Turkmen they brought from Iran, then gradually assimilated into Yörüks, were distributed into all over Anatolia and the Balkans especially after the Safavid Wars.

But that's my own theory, and I can't say I'm 100% sure about it, that's why looking for clues still.

**Hektor12** · 08-13-2021, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

These all make me think that those Turkmens who were settled around Turcomania might be a late wave of Turkic migration, have origin from Khorasan, and migrated separately from the early comer Turks(Yörüks) later settled to the Eastern Anatolia and preserved the name Turkmen they brought from Iran, then gradually assimilated into Yörüks, were distributed into all over Anatolia and the Balkans especially after the Safavid Wars.

But we can make sure that there was no Türkmen movement from east to west after 15. century. Only from west to east and to Balkans. If you can extract something from genetics it might be useful but i think its probably a re-identification caused by Celali rebellions.

**Kaspias** · 08-13-2021, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Hektor12

But we can make sure that there was no Türkmen movement from east to west after 15. century. Only from west to east and to Balkans. If you can extract something from genetics it might be useful but i think its probably a re-identification caused by Celali rebellions.

How? I think these movements were happening even in the 19th century(not in masses, but in masses until the 18th century at least.). I'm pretty sure that there were some isolated Iranian Turkish(self-identified, probably Azerbaijan Turks) villages somewhere around Central-West Anatolia date to the 19th century. But can't recall the name of the village now. I have heard two stories in Kardzhali, too, which claim recent migration from Iran. Except for that, mentioned mobilization might explain reduced Turkic influence in modern-day Turcomania, probably.

We can make sure that Celali Rebellions have a great influence on all those movements

**Hektor12** · 08-13-2021, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

How? I think these movements were happening even in the 19th century(not in masses, but in masses until the 18th century at least.).

Family level movement never stopped, of course. But i dont think they can impact Anatolian genetics heavily. I have no info about mass movements, from Celali rebellions till Circassian movements there was no movement into Anatolia except some Kurdish tribes.

**mergen3** · 08-14-2021, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

Does your family bear a strong Yörük identification or you said it so because the region you are from is mostly Yörük of origin?

Once there was a differentiation in the terms of Türkmen and Yörük, I'm trying to figure out when these two were bound to each other, and why there are two different namings in the historical records.

They do not carry a strong Yörük identity. They settled earlier than the Mediterranean region(in the 1700s).
My family has never identified as Turkmen.

Redmi Note 7 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi