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Thread: Slavic admixture is overrated in Hungarians

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    You have a bit Slavic admixture everywhere due to medieval slave trade yet 50% seems too high. What is believed over there to be Slavic certainly has to be partly German (Goth).

    A bit Slavic admixture exists in everyone. Let's not forget that Swedish Vareg tribe called Rus in fact were Germanic Scandos who started to move southwards to have access to Arab silver coins. As early as late 8th century, in addition to travelling south and exchanging their animal furs (helping them make money yet not enough), the Varegs started to capture Slavs and sell them to Arabs, Byzantines and Khazars to make money. When you see Corded Ware white features in some Middle Eastern, Near Eastern or Caucasus people, it must result of that trade.

    All in all, it is normal Hungarians are Slavic-admixed though even 50% sounds unrealistic and kind of ''Slavic-washing'' of non-Slavic elements such as the Germans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Why do you think Hungarians are genetically so close to Slovenes and Croats? Because both received similar quantities of Germanic and Balkan migration later on?
    I think similaries are artifical. Croats are quite different from Hungarians, more Slavic, more Balkanic and much less or no at all German.
    Slovenians are more similar due to them having some German but they are also not identical, especially because they lack exotic ancestry Hungarians do have in small quantities.

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    Slavic genetic influence outside the Slavic homeland in East-Central Europe is result of medieval slave trade.
    Pretty much the expansion of Sub Saharan African genes in the Arab World or American continent.

    You might have some more in one place than in another, yet exaggeration must be avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turxanthus View Post
    Slavic genetic influence outside the Slavic homeland in East-Central Europe is result of medieval slave trade.
    Pretty much the expansion of Sub Saharan African genes in the Arab World or American continent.

    You might have some more in one place than in another, yet exaggeration must be avoided.
    Lmao, please don't turn another thread into trash. This is for normal discussion. Some Turks are truly utterly annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Lmao, please don't turn another thread into trash. This is for normal discussion. Some Turks are truly utterly annoying.
    That is reality but you are anyway afraid to face reality. It is like other day when you shared 10th century source whereas we were talking about 6th century CE events.
    There are historical records about everything I typed up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Not true. Every single Hungarian I saw is German admixed, from every region. Average is 15-20% and Stears is right in that average.
    Also nobody considers Hungarians Magyarized Germans.
    I would go to 15% but not more. 20% is 1 in 5 having a German phenotype - that's super hard, not even Austrians have many obviously German phenos (maybe 1 in 2 for Austrians).

    Although they're not the same population, Hungarians from Romania don't have much German admixture at all, except for those living close to former German areas: Southwest Transylvania (next to Szekelys) and parts of Banat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    I would go to 15% but not more. 20% is 1 in 5 having a German phenotype - that's super hard, not even Austrians have many obviously German phenos (maybe 1 in 2 for Austrians).

    Although they're not the same population, Hungarians from Romania don't have much German admixture at all, except for those living close to former German areas: Southwest Transylvania (next to Szekelys) and parts of Banat.
    False. Benzero has no known German ancestry and he scores more than that, so do many other Hungarian members who tested with 23andme. Dunai, Videx etc.
    Hungarians from Romania have German admixture just like all other Hungarians.

    I have pure Szekely kits who have much more German admixture than Stears. And yes they are same population as other Hungarians.
    Hungarians are much more homogenous than Romanians are. Some people are more slavic, some are more german, some are more balkan but they all score these components typical for Hungarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    I would go to 15% but not more. 20% is 1 in 5 having a German phenotype - that's super hard.
    LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turxanthus View Post
    That is reality but you are anyway afraid to face reality. It is like other day when you shared 10th century source whereas we were talking about 6th century CE events.
    There are historical records about everything I typed up there.
    Still hurt by the fact we made Avars our slaves?
    Slave trade? Pretty irrelevant for Slavic expansion.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Hungarians are much more homogenous than Romanians are. Some people are more slavic, some are more german, some are more balkan but they all score these components typical for Hungarians.
    No they're not. Even in Romania there are 2 distinct groups of Hungarians: Szekelys (mostly rural or living in small mountain towns) and the rest. In Hungary there are also at least 2 divisions obvious to anyone who traveled often to Hungary: Alföld and the rest.

    You need to perform a lot of mental gymnastics to deny these divisions.

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