"Tombs of the family of Alexander the Great finally giving up their secrets"

[jingorex]

Alexander the Great DNA will only depict the original genetic marker of the Royal House of Argos - the Macedonians are already known to be Mycenean/Dorian-like. So make up as much theories as you like.. enjoy it.

Alexander the Great was a G-Man!!! :fight:

[catgeorge]

Alexander the Great was a G-Man!!! :fight:

The likelyhood of that happenning is somewhere between 50-100%

[Kamal900]

The likelyhood of that happenning is somewhere between 50-100%

Not sure if you've seen my MyTrueAncestry results.


It seems that I do have some affinity to the Hellenic Romans. I mean, I know I'm part Greek genetically and all but..

[Crn Volk]

Alexander the Great DNA will only depict the original genetic marker of the Royal House of Argos - the Macedonians are already known to be Mycenean/Dorian-like. So make up as much theories as you like.. enjoy it.

He was of Molossian and Epirot stock. Neither of which were Mycenean.

[catgeorge]

He was of Molossian and Epirot stock. Neither of which were Mycenean.

Please stop being a moron paternal DNA is from Argos. For those with esoteric tendencies will even say it was the DNA of Herakles. Which many classical scholars will, it is a given. This has more ramifications that anyone's delusions and biases.

[Crn Volk]

Sure, Hercules, Zeus and the tooth fairy are all real.

[catgeorge]

Sure, Hercules, Zeus and the tooth fairy are all real.

That wasn't the point. Alexandros lineage is from Argos, is the point.

[Petros Houhoulis]

https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogs...PGjCBpVDr60.97


"The team’s finds were published in an academic journal 2015. Although hampered by underfunding and a lack of support from those fearing unwanted results, they continued to push for ‘next-generation’ forensics: DNA testing, radiocarbon dating, and stable isotope analysis on the Tomb II and Tomb III bones.

Permission was denied in 2016, Grant reveals. Instead, the scientists were allowed to test the scattered bones found in looted ‘Tomb I’, but with no formal funding provided."

"Now Grant’s new book is revealing all, the pressure will certainly be on the Greek Ministry of Culture to take a new progressive stance on permitting the outstanding forensics on the ‘royal’ bones from the unlooted tombs. With the possible identities greatly narrowed down by the Antikas-team study, new DNA, radio carbon dating and stable isotope analysis of the ‘king’, ‘queen’ and ‘prince’ may solve the puzzle once and for all."


Remember when Petroulis tried claiming theres nothing to find? All cremations? Well; in the words of Maury Povich , that was a lie......

Note, they were only allowed to test the looted tomb one with littered dead. Not tomb 2 or 3, where lay the royal remains, specifically princely bones in tomb 3. I wonder why.....

All Ancient Macedonian Royals were cremated. If you have doubts, read history, or simply read the very fucking article you posted, it mentions cremation twice, and so I decided to post two more articles proving that the cremated corpses leave no DNA.

Furthermore, the article also reveals that the Tomb I was looted, and that remains from seven more corpses were found, which did not belong to the Royal family but later burials. Ironically, they did look for and found DNA from those corpses, because they were not cremated. Nevertheless, those bones could belong to the Celts who looted the Royal tombs, or even later populations, like Romans. The results from the DNA finds have not been published yet, If Andronikos himself touched them, don't be surprised if somebody claims that the corpses belonged to... Pontians!!!

Beyond that, some tombs like the one in Amphipolis are disputed heavily. It is not recorded in the historical track record, and it could be a monument for the battle of Amphipolis which was fought between Romans in the civil war between Augustus and Marcus Antonius, if I remember correctly.

You just proved that Greek public servants are useless, but you haven't proven that DNA survives cremation. In fact it doesn't even survive modern cremation:

http://www.exploredna.co.uk/dna-test-after-death.html

DNA Test after Death


By: Ian Murnaghan BSc (hons), MSc - Updated: 15 Oct 2019 | *Discuss








Q.My sister was involved in a car crash, and she lost her unborn child. The autopsy report revealed she was 18 weeks and 1 day pregnant. A wrongful death suit has been filed for the loss of her child, however, there is a question of who the father is. My sister chose to have her stillbirth cremated, and I was wondering if there was a way DNA testing could be done since the baby was cremated. If so what are the options?

(Mrs JB, 10 September 2008)

A.
I want to offer sincere condolences to your sister and your family. I wish I could offer you a more hopeful answer but unfortunately, the high heat of the cremation process destroys DNA. This means it is extremely unlikely that you would be able to make an identification of the father through DNA testing of the ashes. When a cremation is properly performed, the heat is extreme to the extent that no living material exposed to the heat can survive it.
Interestingly enough, one part of the body that is weakened but still intact to some degree following cremation is a person's teeth. Virtually all properly performed cremations will ultimately pulverize the teeth though, so there is little chance of intact DNA. However, on the rare chance there was a tooth, it could be possible to use this for paternity identification. Given the age of the foetus at death, there would have been teeth already forming, despite the fact they had not yet emerged.

Generally, DNA testing is quite reliable on a deceased person prior to cremation but it is once the DNA is exposed to the heat of cremation, it does not survive intact. I am not sure if this is any consolation, but I can say that your sister is not alone in her quest to determine DNA from ashes. In fact, the question is a common one heard at funeral agencies but at this point in time, the answer is not favourable to testing.
Still, while there is not yet any reliable, accurate form of testing for DNA in cremated remains, it is not to say that this kind of test won't become available in the future. I can appreciate that your sister may need to put closure on the paternity aspect of her dead child, but the only advice I can provide is to try to find a way to emotionally move beyond the issue, through family and friendship support or through counselling. Your sister can still stay aware of the newest developments in forensic science and DNA testing – perhaps one day testing will be able to include ashes.

https://news.ufl.edu/archive/2000/11...n-physics.html

To Answer Cremation Questions, Forensics Finds Unlikely Ally In Physics

NOVEMBER 1, 2000
GAINESVILLE, Fla. — University of Florida physicists and forensic scientists are using the powerful tools of particle physics to solve some of the mysteries of the dead.
In an unlikely collaboration, a group of UF physicists and forensic scientists have demonstrated they can use a particle accelerator to determine whether ashes or ash look-alikes are the cremated remains of people. Although it hasn’t been tested yet, the process also may be able to identify a person based on his or her ashes.
The process is expected to play a role in resolving an escalating number of disputes nationally over so-called “cremains” among families or between families and crematories. Such disputes, which may involve crematories giving the wrong remains to survivors, are becoming increasingly common as more people choose cremation over traditional burial.
“It’s a hot topic, and this opens up a new set of possibilities,” said Michael Warren, an assistant professor in UF’s department of anthropology.
Warren and Tony Falsetti, an associate professor of anthropology and co-director of UF’s William R. Maples Center for Forensic Medicine, sought the physicists’ assistance as part of their work as expert witnesses in a legal battle in South Florida.
Two family members were fighting over the cremated remains of a loved one. One gave the other an urn, but he suspected its brownish-white contents were not what they appeared and turned to UF for help.
Traditional cremations leave behind small bone fragments that forensic workers can readily identify as human bone. But new technology, being implemented at crematories around the country, has resulted in much finer remains with no recognizable bone or human structure. Because cremation destroys all DNA, the new technology is leaving forensic scientists with no ability to separate cremated remains from sand, for example.
“The latest cremation technology kind of put us out of business,” Warren said.
Enter the physicists. Gene Dunnam and Henri Van Rinsvelt, both UF physics professors, and Ivan Kravchenko, a senior engineering technician, knew particle accelerators had been used before to discover trace elements in geological samples. They decided to try using a process known as Particle Induced X-ray Emission analysis, or PIXE, with the disputed remains.
Although an older model was used for the initial experiment, the Los Alamos National Laboratory recently donated a newer accelerator to UF. Housed in a large basement room in the new physics building, the accelerator has a 12-foot cylinder connected to a series of smaller tubes and chambers. The chamber is charged with 1.7 million volts, which accelerates hydrogen ions and transforms them into a proton beam. The beam is focused on a sample, which sends off X-rays that identify the elements it contains.
The physicists’ experiment showed that the ashes from the South Florida family contained calcium, which would be consistent with human bone. But it also showed that the ashes did not contain phosphorous, another prominent ingredient in bone.
The physicist’s conclusion: The urns did not contain human remains.
“We think it’s a mixture of sandy soil with a little lime rock,” Dunnam said. “Whoever did this was not entirely stupid, because lime rock contains calcium, which is also in bone.”
In certain circumstances, the technique may open a door for forensic scientists to identify individuals based on their remains, Falsetti and Warren said.
For example, if the deceased had recently undergone medical work involving ingesting, say, barium, the particle accelerator would identify that element. If a person had a metal implant, the particle accelerator also would pick up trace concentrations of the metal, even if the visible metal lumps were removed following the cremation.
Falsetti and Warren said demand for identifying cremated remains is on the upswing because of mistakes made during cremations, which are becoming more and more popular nationally. In 1999, about 25 percent of deaths led to cremations, compared with about 20 percent in 1994, according to the Cremation Association of North America. With 71,739 cremations, Florida trailed only California among states with the most cremations.
“Not a lot of labs do cremains analysis, but the fact that we’re at a major university and can develop new techniques with physicists or other experts here really sets us apart from those that do,” Warren said.

Alright, moron?

[Petros Houhoulis]

Afraid of the results, lol. Petroloulisopoulos's walls are caving in....

Nobody is afraid of the results moron. Philip was half Macedonian half Lyncestian, his wives were from everywhere, Alexander was 1/4 Macedonian, 1/4 Lyncestian and half Epirote.

Based on these known facts, how could you even dream of extrapolating which of the surviving DNA was Macedonian???

[Petros Houhoulis]

Dacian? Good one.

It concerns any who want to learn about this stuff. It’s a big find. Whatever. The find from tomb one were allowed. Probably will be in that guys book. Just not the royals(fear of course).

There were also Royals in the Tomb I knucklehead, but they were cremated as well and as a result they couldn't find DNA from these Royal corpses. The DNA was found on later burials, and those could have belonged to anybody, either Celtic looters, or later Roman soldiers and what not. The tombs II and III were not looted and only the Royals were found, next to their treasures. I hope that somebody bothers to test their DNA, but only when the technology to extract DNA from cremated remains is developed some day.

The finds of tomb one should be enough to learn something about that time period. We have no remains as of yet for this time period there.

Yeah, we might find the identity of the looters after all...