Earliest medieval French manuscripts referring to Asia Minor as Turkey

[Turxanthus]

Hellenistic human sacrifice materials and similar low class people often brag about the history of Turkey and allege that Turkey is a 19th century creation.
Here we shall show the old roots of Turkey from the earliest Western sources.


Historia rerum in partibus transmarinis gestarum (“History of Deeds Done Beyond the Sea”)

A manuscript written by Guillaume de Tyr, who lived 1130-1184. It is ancient French language.


Li Soudans dou Coine qui estoit mout poissanz en Turquenie ot oi assez avant de parler de ces princes...
which means: "The Sultan of Konya, being strongest person in Turkey, had previously learnt about arrival of those princes"

Turkey (Turquenie) part of the text highlighted in that 12th century manuscript:


Guillaume de Tyr refers to the Second Crusade and relates the onslaught of French King Louis VII and Holy Roman Emperor Konrad. The sultan of Konya is Mesud.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Hello Böri.

Maybe the French called you Turks, but you didn't define yourselves as Turks, therefore you didn't believe you were Turks, therefore you were not Turks.

Plain and simple.

[contributor]

As if it matters if you have memories of being a nomadic goatfucker. Your culture is Greek/Persian/Arab, your elites (mostly Ottoman Greeks) considered turk to be an insult and thats whom the western francocuck is trying to subvert with nationalism.

[Dna8]

Cao druze

[Turxanthus]

As if it matters if you have memories of being a nomadic goatfucker. Your culture is Greek/Persian/Arab, your elites (mostly Ottoman Greeks) considered turk to be an insult and thats whom the western francocuck is trying to subvert with nationalism.

Culture is Persianate in Turkey, not Grek you cuck.

And again, Greeks would not offer other Greks in sacrifice processions in ages-old steppe shamanic tradition existing since times immemorial.

Asia Minor and Balkans

There can be no doubt that human sacrifice survived among a portion of the Türkmen tribes in Anatolia and the Balkans as late as the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, as contemporary observers testify. John Cantacuzene, who knew the Turks as well as did any other Byzantine author and who had used Turkish soldiers in extensive numbers, remarks that the Turkish soldiers performed human sacrifice over the graves of their slain comrades. While Chalcocondyles reports that Murad II purchased six hundred slaves in the Peloponnese which he then sacrificed to his dead father.

John Cantacuzene understood the purpose of these sacrifices, but was in error when he considered the practice to be of Islamic origin. Among the shamanistic Altaic peoples it was commonly believed that those whom a warrior slew in this world would serve him in the next. Thus human sacrifice at the grave of the dead warrior was a well-known custom in the religions of the Turkish and Mongol peoples and was observed as early as Herodotus, and as late as the nineteenth century.



Speros Vryonis, Jr. "The Byzantine Legacy and Ottoman Forms." Dumbarton Oaks Papers, Vol. 23/24 (1969/1970), p. 260.

From this point of view, the "contradictions" scholars have perceived in fourteenth- and fifteenth-century Ottoman attitudes appear to be relatively slight differences in emphases deriving from changing circumstances and personalities attached in different ways to both the ghazi and steppe traditions. Werner is no doubt right in pointing out that in the early fourteenth century the Ottoman dynasts, having become the military leaders of the Turkic elements organized by the Bektashis, glorified their Turkic forefathers even when their names did not suggest that they had been Moslems.
Murad II (1421-51) was considered a throwback to tribalism because he was illiterate and erected pyramids of skulls of his defeated enemies; but until 1583 Ottoman armies occasionally reverted to this practice in fighting the Safavid dynasty. If Murad indeed carried out human sacrifices on the graves of Turkic heroes, he was, of course, violating fundamental Islamic precepts. But other elements of steppe tradition, such as the belief that a rug is sufficient furniture or the retention of "askerg" (soldier) as a title even for sedentary townsmen to distinguish them from despised elements like the Greeks, are general features of nostalgia among sedentary Moslems.

Nations before Nationalism
John Armstrong

[contributor]

as always nothing to offer besides typical butthurt mudslinging

keep crying while Polis becomes Hellenized by the day and there's nothing you can do...

[Turxanthus]

The Ottoman dynasts themselves trace back their origin to a certain Kayi tribe of Oghuz (that is recorded in Ashikpashazade etc), they carved seal symbols even their weapons, they have offered Greeks (and likely Balkanites) in sacrifice during Shamanistic ceremonies, they speak Turkish and finally, along with the age of nationalism (after 1789) they have actually promoted Turks in a process ending up with Young Turks...

Yet the Greks still pretend it as theirs.
Fuck, that is Stockholm syndrome man.

How come you Greks have developed such a behavior pattern? Because Byzantine Emperor Ioannis Kantakouzenos gave his daughter to Orhan (notice Turkic name) as 5th wife?

Hell you parasites.

[contributor]

keep crying, Ottoman Empire was a heir of the Eastern Roman Empire. Doesn't matter who they heil from (or claim to) biologically you cockroach. Its Greek knowledge they used and ofc the majority of the officials where Greeks since they had the most expertize in running Empires.

stockholm syndrome is watching your biggest city becoming de-durkified and hanging from frankish cock in an attempt to prevent the inevitable. Enjoy the anger and terror that your gay nation displays perfectly to its core due to Greeks AMOGing you by their existance.

[Turxanthus]

keep crying, Ottoman Empire was a heir of the Eastern Roman Empire. Doesn't matter who they heil from (or claim to) biologically you cockroach. Its Greek knowledge they used and ofc the majority of the officials where Greeks since they had the most expertize in running Empires.

stockholm syndrome is watching your biggest city becoming de-durkified and hanging from frankish cock in an attempt to prevent the inevitable. Enjoy the anger and terror that your gay nation displays perfectly to its core due to Greeks AMOGing you by their existance.

Funny.
Ottoman state dynasts were Turkic, the state official religion was Islam and the culture was a Persianate one yet Greks try to approriate!

Greks are Orthodox (not Islam) and they are mongrels yet speaking Hellenic (no Turkic ethnicity) and have a Greco-Roman culture, not a Persianate one. So, you are welcome to explain how you are related with that state!

It is you who got that Frankish cock in 1204. And that was good!



Thanks to 1204, the Turks had durably and lastingly broken the Byzantine blockade that cornered Turks into Central Anatolia, with Turks reaching the Med and Black Sea in sustainable presence finally in 1210's.
Turks appreciate Venice!

[contributor]

''Turkic''.... you mean the goatfuckers from the steppe whom only cultural achievement is... yoghurt? The fruits of this ''culture'' had the skills and knowledge to run an Empire in a region where the elite intellectual and economic force were Greeks. Sure bro.

ever wonder why the Ottomans had such an urge to ''avenge'' Troy and claim themselves as heirs of Romans? Where they Tengrist nationalists? or simply tried to overthrow a system without breaking its formula by changing the narrative , which creates authority since it holds you at the status of ''God-sent'' knowledge carrier?

IDK, all these things sound pretty Greek to me, pretty Alexander-like, whom also came in Asia as ''God-sent'' by equating Hellenism with higher knowledge (which was legit) and created Greek microstates with elites whom were biologically Greek or had to convert to the culture to enjoy recognition.

You do realize why Turk was insult now? In a region where it was all about comanding authority by being the offspring of Alexander and the Roman Empire, none wanted anything to do with goatfuckers from the steppe even if they were direct descedants of them (which in most cases weren't true). The Greek owners of the Empire controled the turk peasants easily by Islam, (and the non-traitor Greeks by adopting their highest quality individuals) but the exterior image had to be Roman since the western barbarians claimed that title too.


One day you'll thank me for enlighting you buddy boi, hope you understand we Greeks don't recognize you as enemy and drop off your nationalistic copes.