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[Adamastor]

A thread dedicated to music from Al-Andalus and all it's influences in modern music.

I begin:







It was an amazing civilization, one of the peaks of Middle Ages. I don't know why Iberians are ashamed of it here, if I was Iberian I'd likely claim it. Well, living in Al-Andalus was probably much better than living in the dirty, uncultured and barbaric nations up north.

[Samnium]

A thread dedicated to music from Al-Andalus and all it's influences in modern music.

I begin:







It was an amazing civilization, one of the peaks of Middle Ages. I don't know why Iberians are ashamed of it here, if I was Iberian I'd likely claim it. Well, living in Al-Andalus was probably much better than living in the dirty, uncultured and barbaric nations up north.

Better to be an uncivilized barbarian than a moor

[Adamastor]

Better to be a uncivilized barbarian than a moor

Moorish looking chicks look better:







Now compare:




Moors were highly civilized actually, that's why Al-Andalus was the only decent place in Western European Middle Ages anyway. A good bunch of Greco-Roman philosophy would be lost if not for Al-Andalus.

[Samnium]

Al-Andalus was the only decent place in Western European Middle Ages anyway.

Huh...Not at all. You're over-exagerating the "darkness" of Middle Ages, for anyone that has studied a little bit this period, you can't draw sharp differences as you do. Al-Andalus wasn't the paradise descend on the Earth and Western Europe wasn't like you want to describe it.

A good bunch of Greco-Roman philosophy would be lost if not for Al-Andalus.

Those who copied the greek and romans books were christian monks. Not muslims.

[Adamastor]

Those who copied the greek and romans books were christian monks. Not muslims.

Actually most copies of Greek/Roman books reached Europe either through Al-Andalus/Islamic World or Byzantium. Arabs transmitted more abstract philosophy, architecture, agriculture books and Byzantium the works of rethoricians, poetry, literature in general.

In Western Europe most of Greco-Roman knowledge was lost for centuries. Including large parts of Italy itself.

[Samnium]

Actually most copies of Greek/Roman books reached Europe either through Al-Andalus/Islamic World or Byzantium. Arabs transmitted more abstract philosophy, architecture, agriculture books and Byzantium the works of rethoricians, poetry, literature in general.

They may have been intermediates but what is sure is that they aren't those who had copied the books so your statement wasn't correct.

[Kamal900]

They may have been intermediates but what is sure is that they aren't those who had copied the books so your statement wasn't correct.

Well, the Muslims in general which includes Arabs, Berbers, Persians, other Iranians from central Asia and etc got most of the Greek and Roman knowledge from the Byzantine empire and those from conquered regions like Egypt where most of the books were transferred to Iraq in the place called the house of wisdom and other places in Egypt and Iberia. The Christian monks under the Abbasid rule also began translating these books as well, and even some Christian rulers of Iberia like Alfonso began hiring Muslim and even Jewish translators in Toledo under his rule as well. Iberia. Greece and certain regions of Italy were the most advanced regions in Europe while the rest of Europe was in the state of decline hence the term "dark ages".

[Adamastor]

They may have been intermediates but what is sure is that they aren't those who had copied the books so your statement wasn't correct.

But I did not said they copied the books. I just said they transmitted them and it's true. Aristotle and Plato would be almost entirely lost if not for the Arabs/Moors and Byzantines.
And they did far more: they also commented these works in a way that allowed Western Europeans to understand them. Thomas Aquinas, for example, is unthinkable without Averroes commentaries on Aristotle.

[Samnium]

But I did not said they copied the books. I just said they transmitted them and it's true. Aristotle and Plato would be almost entirely lost if not for the Arabs/Moors and Byzantines.

It's only a guess, what I'm sure is that christian monks would have keeped these books in the same way that Essenians kept their books.

Greece and certain regions of Italy were the most advanced regions in Europe while the rest of Europe was in the state of decline hence the term "dark ages".

The expression "dark ages" is refuted by historians, it's a very connoted expression that don't tell us that much upon this period (and by the way I was referring not only to the centuries after the fall of Rome but also the Late Middle Ages).

[Adamastor]

It's only a guess, what I'm sure is that christian monks would have keeped these books in the same way that Essenians kept their books.

It's not a guess because the books were unknown in Europe even by Christian Monks. Christians from Western Europe had to work with transmitted knowledge from Islamic World and Byzantium.