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    Quote Originally Posted by Ymyyakhtakh View Post
    I always thought that I have dark blonde (or dirty blonde) hair, and I used to have light blonde hair as a kid. However based on the criteria of users like The Blade and XenophobicPrussian, I might actually have light brown hair (or even "medium ash brown" hair by very strict criteria).
    Even before knowing anything about anthropology it seems my criterion of blondism matched the Fischer-Saller scale. I was blond as a kid (with red eyebrows) but not after that. Ever since I have considered myself brown-haired. By my understandings nowadays I have medium ash brown colour. Most people in reality simply see me as brown-haired (sometimes light brown) but I find it weird a minority have addressed to me as ''blond'' when it's clear to me I'm not (I'm not dark-haired either).
    I don't know about you, I'm just sharing thoughts. My hair is darker than any tone listed as blond on the Fischer-Saller scale but quite far from dark brown, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blade View Post
    Even before knowing anything about anthropology it seems my criterion of blondism matched the Fischer-Saller scale. I was blond as a kid (with red eyebrows) but not after that. Ever since I have considered myself brown-haired. By my understandings nowadays I have medium ash brown colour. Most people in reality simply see me as brown-haired (sometimes light brown) but I find it weird a minority have addressed to me as ''blond'' when it's clear to me I'm not (I'm not dark-haired either).
    I don't know about you, I'm just sharing thoughts. My hair is darker than any tone listed as blond on the Fischer-Saller scale but quite far from dark brown, too.
    Yeah but some samples of the Fischer-Saller scale like this are weird:



    Sample L is not shown in the image above, but there is a huge gap between K and M, where M already looks brown (or even red), even though it is called "dark blonde". Out of the samples that are visible, there is no sample that looks like what I consider dark blonde.

    I consider the player below to be a corner case between dark blonde hair and medium-to-light ash brown hair. I think that hair like his that is desaturated can look more blonde than brown even when it is fairly dark. My own hair color is around the same as his, but a bit lighter.



    On the other hand, the player below clearly has brown hair, because even though his hair is not much darker than the player above (or it is perhaps even lighter), his hair still looks more saturated or reddish:



    Similarly, I consider the player below to have either red or brown hair, even though others classified him as blonde. Semi-red "strawberry light brown" hair doesn't look blonde to me.


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    In Retzius' and Fürst's study on 45,000 Swedes in 1921, about 75,3% were found to be blond. In particular, 52% cendré (ash blond), and 23,3% fair (golden blond). Since when are they only 38% blond? And take notice that they only counted ash and golden blond as blond. And they examined 45k individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno of Citium View Post
    In Retzius' and Fürst's study on 45,000 Swedes in 1921, about 75,3% were found to be blond. In particular, 52% cendré (ash blond), and 23,3% fair (golden blond). Since when are they only 38% blond? And take notice that they only counted ash and golden blond as blond. And they examined 45k individuals.
    The Retzius and Fürst observations of 44,935 Swedes published 1902 used general standards for Golden and Ashen blondism.
    There are many degrees of golden and Ashen blondism.
    Brown hair was defined similarly to Virchow, only counting pure brown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FilleDuRoi View Post
    The Retzius and Fürst observations of 44,935 Swedes published 1902 used general standards for Golden and Ashen blondism.
    There are many degrees of golden and Ashen blondism.
    Brown hair was defined similarly to Virchow, only counting pure brown.
    Yeah, he only used these two shades of blonde as "fair hair". Ash blond is the lightest shade of blond. And 52% had ash blond hair. An additional 23,3% had golden blond.
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    So according this scale he posted:



    These eyes would be ...10 , and classified as dark hazel eyes or simply brown eyes with central heterochromia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    So according this scale he posted:



    These eyes would be ...10 , and classified as dark hazel eyes or simply brown eyes with central heterochromia?

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    10 and yes, hazel.
    After not shaving for a while:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno of Citium View Post
    Yeah, he only used these two shades of blonde as "fair hair". Ash blond is the lightest shade of blond. And 52% had ash blond hair. An additional 23,3% had golden blond.
    Ash blond is darker than golden blond (think Boris Johnson). Although ash blond people can look golden blond in a light, so I'm not sure how the distinction works.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Östsvensk View Post
    Ash blond is darker than golden blond (think Boris Johnson). Although ash blond people can look golden blond in a light, so I'm not sure how the distinction works.



    This is what is usually meant with ash blond:



    It's way lighter than golden blond. And that hair colour (cendré in the survey) found amongst 52% of 45,000 Swedish soldiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    So according this scale he posted:



    These eyes would be ...10 , and classified as dark hazel eyes or simply brown eyes with central heterochromia?
    Do something better, go to a mirror, turn off the phone light, and take a picture to your eye. It would be a better pic IMO.

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