Were Bulgars and Magyars related?

[Maintenance]

It's different, North Europeans (and most of modern Hungarians) steppe score is from IE tribes. Modern Bashkirs and Tatars are genetically closest to Hungarian conquerors.

So then, its north eastern finns?

They even score tatar etc on first population on calculators

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Mari9.8
2Chuvash11.05
3Tatar18.09
4East_Finnish19.68

[vbnetkhio]

Bulgarian language is strongly slavicized due to religious reasons (accepting Christianity) since medieval times but its vocabulary and grammar aren't purely Slavic at all.
First person singular in our language ''az'' is a Thracian word and there are a lot of such. Tons of words come from ancient Bulgar, too.
The case category in Bulgarian has been poor throughout most of our history and we currently use only two. The difference in this regard with Serbian or Russian is quite evident. Another thing is we use a lot more prepositions than Russians (I have studied it for 2,5 years, so I can make a comparison) which according to Bulgarian scholars derive from Iranic language heritage, particularly related to the speech in modern Afghanistan. There are, of course, a lot of Greek and Latin + some Turkish words, as all of these influenced the Balkans throughout history. There are even words like ''govedo'' referring to cattle/entity of cattle which descend from Gothic and are related to modern Danish words like ''hoved''.
Regarding ancient Bulgars, they were turkicized to an extent (more so linguistically than phenotypically) by the Western Turkic Khaganate but remained mainly Iranic and East Mediterranean according to scholars who studied the subject during the last several decades. The ancient burials show warriors had a height range between 175-197 cm., and while these were picked out of the stronger and healthier individuals normally, still they were considerably taller than the ancient groups of Central and East Asia. Most skeletons show purely Europoid character and even among nobility which was the most turkicized mixed Europo-Mongoloid features usually reach no more than 10%.

"govedo" and "az" are normal Slavic words, they are similar to the Germanic and Thracian versions because they originate from proto-indo-european.

[Jana]

So then, its north eastern finns?

They even score tatar etc on first population on calculators

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Mari9.8
2Chuvash11.05
3Tatar18.09
4East_Finnish19.68

Keep in mind Hungarian conquerors were far from original Ugric people like Khanty and Mansi (closest linguistic relatives of Hungarians), they received substantial Turkic admixture when they left Siberian forests and moved to the steppes.

[Jana]

whops, sorry, I posted something i am posting on croatian forums

[Marmara]

Magyars are originally from Western Siberia and Bulgars from Pontic steppe as far as I know. Than both moved to Volga region before their migration to Danubian region. I am firm supporter of Ugric origin of Magyars but that doesn't cancel links with Bulgars, whose origins are also disputed (Turkic vs Iranic, my view is Turkic). Name of Hungary come from Onogurs, and those were most certanly Turks (Bulgar kin).

Bulgar language was Turkic, and even more understandable to me than Chuvash (modern descendant of Bulgar language)

[TheMaestro]

At one time probably yeah, proto Bulgars and Magyars dominated those area, but in present not really, since they were raped and deleted by Slavs and other Balkanite/Euro nations.

[PAGANE]

The latest study/2016/ of ancient mitochondrial DNA samples from 160 antique samples, half of which are Thracian and the other half are Proto-Bulgarians. A V T O R E F E R A T of dissertation work https://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com...%20Nesheva.pdf Unfortunately it is only in Bulgarian. Table 2 on page 31- Results of probo-Bulgarian samples tested by the classical method. Table 3 page 32- Results of tested Thracian samples by the classical method
Table 10 page 40-41- Number of persons belonging to mtDNA haplogroups and sub-haplogroups in the sample of 37 populations included in the PCA analysis compared with Proto-Bulgarians The comparison is made between the results of the survey of Pro-Bulgarian populations and another 36 separate populations from Europe and Asia. The comparison was made on the basis of 22 haplogroups (H *, H5, HV0, HV, R0a, JT, U1, U2e, U3, U4, U5a, U5b, U6, U7, U8, U *, K, N1, N2, X , M and L). The Bulgarian samples included in the comparison are 19. They exceed the sample quality limit by 80%. Table 10 shows the 36 populations from Europe and Asia that are compared the Bulgarians. The number of individuals carrying a haplogroup is indicated. Based on the comparison, a chart of the principal PCA components (Principal Component Analysis) is generated which coordinates the position of the Bulgarians among the other populations. Their relationship and proximity to contemporary Bulgarians is determined (Figure 30, page 53 in Discussion)
Table 11 presents 36 populations from Europe and Asia that are compared to the Thracians.
Figure 29 page 51. PCA Diagram Result of Comparison of Proto-Bulgarians and Modern Bulgarians and Populations from Europe and Asia
Figure 31 page 54 PCA diagram. The result of a comparison of Thracians and contemporary Bulgarians and populations from Europe and Asia
Figure 32 page 61 PCA diagram. Result of Comparison of Proto-Bulgarians, Thracians and Modern Bulgarians and Populations from Europe and Asia

[KanasKrum]

Is there some kind of link between Hungarians and Bulgarians? Strangely I noticed some unexpected phenotypical overlap between the two despite they are genetically not that close.

Also, isn't in interesting both countries have same tricolor flag? (red,white and green in different combinations) unlike their neighbours. Probably just a coincidence, but cool one.

1. Flags
– The Bulgarian flag was copied from the Russian flag, and the blue one was replaced by a green one
The resemblance is pure coincidence. Like Romania, Andorra and Chad
2. Hungarians are a mixture of Bulgarians and Magyars(Ugric people)
3. Bulgarians are not Turko-Mongols(as some users wrote)
The earliest mentions of the Bulgarians
– Quintus Curtius Rufus writes about the Thracian tribe Balagres(Balacri, Palacri), which participated in the campaigns of Alexander the Great (but it is speculative whether these are Bulgarians)
– the second half of II century–live on the territory of Wallachia
– 354 AD–Ziezi ex quo vulgares ("Ziezi, of whom the Bulgars")
– 378 AD–Emperor Valens fought against the Bulgarians around Edirne
– 396–The Bulgarians defeated the army of the Lombard king Agelmund in Kaposvar
– 480–Emperor Zeno concluded a pact with the Bulgarian king Buzanios against Theodoric the Great
– 513-515–Vitalian with an army of Bulgarians, Huns and Bessi attacked Constantinople
– 610s–Krobatus raises a revolt against the Avars and restores the sovereignty of Bulgaria

[Jana]

2. Hungarians are a mixture of Bulgarians and Magyars(Ugric people)

They are not, if you are talking about modern Hungarians.