Upcoming genetic study about Ancient Rome

[Samnium]

Apparently a study about the genetics of Ancient Rome and Ancient Italy will be published in one month. A geneticist, Razib Khan has seen the results before the publishing, here what he thinks :



That would mean that rural and inland areas of Central Italy have retained Italic DNA. I think this is also the case of the province of Cosenza in Calabria (and maybe other inland areas of S.Italy), I will ask him because it's very interesting !

The massive eastern shift would explain also the extreme outliers that have been sampled showing romans samples south of the most southern-shifted S.Italians on PCA. Also a lot of people assumed that the northward shift of Central Italy in Middle Ages was caused by repopulation by several foreigners and N.Italians, not true, apparently it's only original "Italic people" that reclaimed their cities.

Anyway it confirms that the remote areas of Italy are poorly studied and not understood as well as roman genetics.

Source : https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2019/...2019/#comments

[Lucas]

Don't forget Germanic impact in late antique / early medieval times. It could reinforce this backshift.

[Samnium]

Don't forget Germanic impact in late antique / early medieval times. It could reinforce this backshift.

Honestly this paper will rightly show that the apparent "north shift" was only the original populations that repopulated the cities, not Germanic impact. It's possible that Germanic input has shifted a little bit but honestly these Germanic tribes weren't as numerous as the local population and surely didn't settled like Ancient Greeks and other italic tribes did in Southern Italy so I doubt that it had a noticeable effect on an autosomal scale.

[Kamal900]

It's going to be the next revelation from god himself. Can't wait.

[Samnium]

It's going to be the next revelation from god himself. Can't wait.

This + the study on Ancient Italic samples in Picene would certainly change our opinions about Italics and Romans.

Anyway my reflexion about the fact that inland C./Southern Italy has retained Italic DNA is somewhat confirmed by that.

[Creoda]

The Germanic input in outside of parts of Northeast and Northwest Italy is obviously negligible. Good to know that this meme that true Romans were East Meds will be short lived and based on misinformation.

[Leto]

The Germanic input in outside of parts of Northeast and Northwest Italy is obviously negligible. Good to know that this meme that true Romans were East Meds will be short lived and based on misinformation.

dA rOmAnZ pLoTtEd In LeBaNoN

[Samnium]

The Germanic input in outside of parts of Northeast and Northwest Italy is obviously negligible. Good to know that this meme that true Romans were East Meds will be short lived and based on misinformation.

Yep of course, and there are studies that have said that the germanic input is negligible.

For me it was strange that Romans were on par (not that far) with Cypriots or other populations very East-Med shifted. They probably sampled these "false" romans that were probably immigrants from other areas.

This teach us two things :

-Never taking cities and urban areas samples as representative.
-The inland, rural, remote ares are much less prone to foreign admixture and therefore have to be studied (they are isolates basically).

[Calpurnius]

no difference between Etruscans and Latins

orientalists gonna get a heart attack

was nevertheless predictable, Romans themselves lamented the masses of east mediterranean rabble that had invaded the city and began even having significant influence, including the Greeks themselves
I hope the paper has isotope info too to understand which ones were locals or not, IIRC many samples are from the port of Ostia, which isn't exactly a place one would find patricians just hanging around during the Imperial age

[dududud]

What about sardegna?