Upcoming genetic study about Ancient Rome

[Samnium]

was nevertheless predictable, Romans themselves lamented the masses of east mediterranean rabble that had invaded the city and began even having significant influence, including the Greeks themselves
I hope the paper has isotope info too to understand which ones were locals or not, IIRC many samples are from the port of Ostia, which isn't exactly a place one would find patricians just hanging around during the Imperial age

I didn't know that these samples were from Ostia. Yep really not the good place, Ostia was very influenced by Near-Eastern cults like Mithra cult (I've visited the place), there are still houses with "hidden" rooms where mithraites rituals were executed (now visible). It was the "veterans" that imported this religion, but I bet that there was also a lot of near-easterners in this city. A good place to find true ancient Romans samples would be Tivoli actually.

And yes the Greeks were mainly Islanders I think because Maniots that don't have any Slavic don't plot at all with Sicilians or with Aegean Islanders.

[Samnium]

What about sardegna?

This study will sample only samples of C.Italy I think.

[dududud]

This study will sample only samples of C.Italy I think.

Thanks.

[Lucas]

This study will sample only samples of C.Italy I think.

Oh, so in Central Italy there wasn't of course Germanic input.
Before when I posted I thought samples will be from all Italy.

[Dick]

Eternal glory to Rome!

[jingorex]

Eternal glory to Rome!

i dint know they had youtubes back then?

[Dick]

-Never taking cities and urban areas samples as representative.
-The inland, rural, remote ares are much less prone to foreign admixture and therefore have to be studied (they are isolates basically).

This should be obvious from an airplane but seems as though urban samples are always used as representative.

[Adamastor]

The study will be for all Italy if it's the study of Hannah Moots and I've seen parts of it. Everything that was previously said was true.
Basically this:

1) Native Italians pre-Ancient Greeks were in between Tuscan and North Italian.
2) Etruscans were kinda like SW French/NE Spaniards
3) Early Italics were SW Europeans, not Central Europeans
4) Ancient Romans and modern South Italians are basically Ancient Greeks genetically
5) Ancient Greeks were likely like modern Cretans genetically
6) Central Italians are mixed between Ancient Greeks and native North Italian-like population
7) North Italians of Bergamo type don't have much Germanic or Slavic
8) Celts in Italy were probably not much different from modern North Italians
9) Italian population did not changed drastically from antiquity to now

Maybe one or two points I made are not exactly the same as what the study will show, but you guys can write: at least 7 of these points will be confirmed.

[Dick]

The study will be for all Italy if it's the study of Hannah Moots and I've seen parts of it. Everything that was previously said was true.
Basically this:

1) Native Italians pre-Ancient Greeks were in between Tuscan and North Italian.
2) Etruscans were kinda like SW French/NE Spaniards
3) Early Italics were SW Europeans, not Central Europeans
4) Ancient Romans and modern South Italians are basically Ancient Greeks genetically
5) Ancient Greeks were likely like modern Cretans genetically
6) Central Italians are mixed between Ancient Greeks and native North Italian-like population
7) North Italians of Bergamo type don't have much Germanic or Slavic
8) Celts in Italy were probably not much different from modern North Italians
9) Italian population did not changed drastically from antiquity to now

Maybe one or two points I made are not exactly the same as what the study will show, but you guys can write: at least 7 of these points will be confirmed.

What about Friuli - Veneto?

[Adamastor]

What about Friuli - Veneto?

Friuli and Veneto have different clusters and even different individual results. Parts of Friuli are certainly Slavic admixed, I have some Friulian ancestry and these tests usually give me Baltic/Balkanic stuff but minor anyway and Friulians are still closer to Bergamo Italians or even Iberians than to Croats or Slovenes.

There are Venetians who are like Bergamo Italians and others who can plot like people from Trento (north-shifted). Ethnic Cimbrians and other minorities in Veneto are in between Bergamo North Italians and Austrians from Tyrol.