Mass rapes after fall of Roman Empire?

[Kraftwerk]

Did mass rapes committed by Germanics tribes and Huns occurred, after weakening Rome?
I wonder if those Ostrogoth, Visigoths, Lombardians, Vandals and Huns left genetic remarks in male lineage of modern people living in Italy.

[MinervaItalica]

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[jingorex]

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[Kraftwerk]

Well, this is not a new phenomenon, after fall of ww2, around 2 millions of German women were raped by only red army. It's a historical thing.

[Zeus]

the whole concept of the "Fall" of the Roman Empire is questionable in and of itself. The Roman Army was outsourced to "barbarians" who eventually became quite romanized in their own right. the "barbarians" still held loyalty to the Roman Empire and the man who became king of Italy did so in the name of and as a vassal of the Eastern Roman Emperor and they still held true to roman customs and traditions, minting coins in the name of the Roman Emperor and keeping the Roman Senate in place. All this to say that the idea of marauding barbarians raping their way through Italy is very likely not true to a significant extent, the affair in 476 can be better described as a coup than a barbarian invasion and conquest. But of course since we're talking about ancient times, I'm sure some of the warriors had a field day raping after any battles or sieges and of course the Huns or other groups with no loyalty to Rome would have likely done so as well on a large scale.

[Kraftwerk]

the whole concept of the "Fall" of the Roman Empire is questionable in and of itself. The Roman Army was outsourced to "barbarians" who eventually became quite romanized in their own right. the "barbarians" still held loyalty to the Roman Empire and the man who became king of Italy did so in the name of and as a vassal of the Eastern Roman Emperor and they still held true to roman customs and traditions, minting coins in the name of the Roman Emperor and keeping the Roman Senate in place. All this to say that the idea of marauding barbarians raping their way through Italy is very likely not true to a significant extent, the affair in 476 can be better described as a coup than a barbarian invasion and conquest. But of course since we're talking about ancient times, I'm sure some of the warriors had a field day raping after any battles or sieges and of course the Huns or other groups with no loyalty to Rome would have likely done so as well on a large scale.

So, barbarians were not so barbarian actually those times?
I wonder if the Huns left any genetic remarks in Central Europe or Northern Italy. As you said, Rome may have tamed Germanics those times, but Huns were much more different than Germanics culturally.

[MinervaItalica]

Well, this is not a new phenomenon, after fall of ww2, around 2 millions of German women were raped by only red army. It's a historical thing.

There was not a "mass rape" during the latest battles of late Roman empire. There are not any sources about it. Some isolated cases, perhaps.

Let's not forget that barbarians moved into Roman empire territories because they wanted to live in the empire not because wanted to conquer it, that came accidentally because Rome used force to kick all those barbarians out. Too bad Rome was already falling due to internal political and economical problems.

The only who mass genocided, enslaved and raped were the Barbarians by Romans during centuries of battles.

[Kraftwerk]

There was not a "mass rape" during the latest battles of late Roman empire. Some cases, perhaps.

Let's not forget that barbarians moved into Roman empire territories because they wanted to live in the empire not because wanted to conquer it, that came accidentally because Rome used force to kick all those barbarians out. Too bad Rome was already falling due to internal politics l and economical problems.

The only who mass genocided, enslaved and raped were the Barbarians by Romans during centuries of battles.

So, you say Northern Italians have no Celtic or Germanic admixture?

[MinervaItalica]

So, you say Northern Italians have no Celtic or Germanic admixture?

If they have it is because the Celtic tribes who lived in North Italy, definitely not because "mass rape".

Some of the Germanics like Ostrogoths, Longobards and Franks (who came later) used to intermarry with locals.

[Kraftwerk]

If they have it is because the Celtic tribes who lived in North Italy, definitely not because "mass rape".

Some of the germanics like Ostrogoths, Longobards and Franks (who came later) used to intermarry with locals.

Do average Northern Italian have taller height, lighter eyes or skin than average Central or Southern Italians?