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    Quote Originally Posted by vbnetkhio View Post
    SZ6386770 I3313_Illyrian_Dalmatia_1200_bc
    TX8387837 I4332_Illyrian_Dalmatia_1600_bc
    JM8436604 I3499_Bronze_Age_Vucedol_2000_bc_R1b_Z2103_L23

    the one from 1200 bc is sometimes labeled iron age, sometimes bronze, other two are proper bronze
    They also had typical Balkan haplogroups pretty much absent from Italy and most present in modern Albanians, so I don't think they were Italics of any kind. They never lived here, especially not in remote dinaric region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    See, I said early Romans would be SW Europeans. I'm repeating it for months here: Southern Europe was once mostly Iberian/North Italian like. Look at how Anatolian admixture decreased and other components increased with the passage from Republican to Imperial Era.

    The most EEF/Anatolian admixed mainland Euros are the North Italians and Iberians.
    Well done on predicting that thing everybody already knew

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    False. Romans were mostly like modern South Italians.
    Most of the Eastern Mediterranean DNA in ancient Romans and modern South Italians came from Aegean sources, not direct admixture from the Middle East.

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    Bow down to the Portuguese-Piedmontese-Western Lombard-Swiss Italian master race. WE WUZ FUCKING ROMANS HAHAHAHA. Augustus was a fucking Piedmontese, can you believe it? How will greasy terroni and snowniggers cope?



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    Now that I'm looking more deeply, it seems this iron age individual from Croatia is dated only to 805-761 calBCE, supplementary info, page 24. Which sample is this?
    The only well-fit one-way model is with an Iron Age individual from Croatia dated to 805-761 calBCE,
    suggesting that this individual form a clade with Iron Age central Italians, with respect to all the
    populations in the “right” set (ANC17). This result, together with those for Neolithic and Copper Age
    individuals, points to tight connections between Italy and the Balkans from Neolithic to Iron Ages.

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    They sampled a trading center, no surprise there for the genetic results


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    Quote Originally Posted by savvas View Post
    Bow down to the Portuguese-Piedmontese-Western Lombard-Swiss Italian master race. WE WUZ FUCKING ROMANS HAHAHAHA. Augustus was a fucking Piedmontese, can you believe it? How will greasy terroni and snowniggers cope?



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    Quote Originally Posted by savvas View Post
    Bow down to the Portuguese-Piedmontese-Western Lombard-Swiss Italian master race. WE WUZ FUCKING ROMANS HAHAHAHA. Augustus was a fucking Piedmontese, can you believe it? How will greasy terroni and snowniggers cope?


    Honestly I had noticed that a lot of Roman busts were highly west-influenced. Some people laughed at my analysis but it's confirmed to be true, also it destroys nordicist theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savvas View Post
    Bow down to the Portuguese-Piedmontese-Western Lombard-Swiss Italian master race. WE WUZ FUCKING ROMANS HAHAHAHA. Augustus was a fucking Piedmontese, can you believe it? How will greasy terroni and snowniggers cope?


    Early Romans possibly closer to NORTH GERMANS than to fucking terroni.

    Results of a Piedmontese from Borgo San Dalmazzo (Early Romans seems to plot with North-Western Italians and Portuguese on the map):

    Borgo San Dalmazzo 1

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 30.35
    2 Atlantic 22.46
    3 West_Med 20.55
    4 East_Med 10.14
    5 Baltic 4.89
    6 West_Asian 4.31
    7 Red_Sea 2.82
    8 Eastern_Euro 2.76
    9 Amerindian 0.97
    10 South_Asian 0.76

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Spanish_Galicia 7.52
    2 French 7.75
    3 Portuguese 8.92
    4 Spanish_Cataluna 9.98
    5 Spanish_Extremadura 10.79
    6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.1
    7 Spanish_Murcia 11.36
    8 West_German 11.87
    9 South_Dutch 12.68
    10 North_Italian 12.75
    11 Spanish_Cantabria 13.1
    12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.28
    13 Spanish_Valencia 14.28
    14 Southwest_English 14.58
    15 Spanish_Andalucia 15.04
    16 Spanish_Aragon 15.38
    17 Southwest_French 15.5
    18 Southeast_English 16.21
    19 Tuscan 17.38
    20 North_German 18.27

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 76% West_German + 24% Sardinian @ 5.61
    2 68.2% Spanish_Galicia + 31.8% West_German @ 5.76
    3 82.1% Spanish_Galicia + 17.9% West_Norwegian @ 6.11
    4 61.2% Portuguese + 38.8% West_German @ 6.19
    5 80.5% Spanish_Galicia + 19.5% Orcadian @ 6.25
    6 65.6% Orcadian + 34.4% Sardinian @ 6.27
    7 88.1% French + 11.9% Sardinian @ 6.33
    8 52.5% Spanish_Galicia + 47.5% French @ 6.37
    9 82.8% Spanish_Galicia + 17.2% Norwegian @ 6.38
    10 82.1% Spanish_Galicia + 17.9% North_Dutch @ 6.51
    11 77.6% Spanish_Galicia + 22.4% Southwest_English @ 6.52
    12 84.4% Spanish_Galicia + 15.6% Swedish @ 6.52
    13 62.3% West_Norwegian + 37.7% Sardinian @ 6.58
    14 80.5% Spanish_Galicia + 19.5% Southeast_English @ 6.61
    15 53.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 46.4% West_German @ 6.64
    16 83.4% Spanish_Galicia + 16.6% West_Scottish @ 6.66
    17 83.6% Spanish_Galicia + 16.4% Danish @ 6.68
    18 77.1% Portuguese + 22.9% West_Norwegian @ 6.68
    19 83.7% Spanish_Galicia + 16.3% Irish @ 6.74
    20 60.8% French + 39.2% Portuguese @ 6.81

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    I see some T haplogroup from the iron age onwards. My surname is said to have originated in Venice and I am myself a T Y-DNA carrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voskos View Post
    I see some T haplogroup from the iron age onwards. My surname is said to have originated in Venice and I am myself a T Y-DNA carrier.
    That is pretty cool.

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