Ancient Rome: A genetic crossroads of Europe and the Mediterranean

[MinervaItalica]

Even in Sicily? How else would you explain their very pronounced Southernness? Many are straight up "Ashkenazish" with some of the lowest Steppe levels in Europe.

The only notable (foreigner) immigration that had a notably impact on (Southern) Italians locals is the Greek one during Magna Graecia. Successive foreigners like Germanics and Arabs are irrelevant. They only mixed with elites and some commoners. Plus Arabs have been all expelled when Sicily was conquered by Normans, some converted to Christianity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim...ment_of_Lucera

[Samnium]

The only notable (foreigner) immigration that had a notably impact on (Southern) Italians locals is the Greek one during Magna Graecia. Successive foreigners like Germanics and Arabs are irrelevant. They only mixed with elites and some commoners. Plus Arabs have been all expelled when Sicily was conquered by Normans, some converted to Christianity.

True and not true because Arab era had an impact on sicilian genetics, low "Egyptian" and "Arabian" traces show that on 23andme, but honestly I think that it there was any direct "Levantine" input truly important in Sicily it was Phoenicians.

In Sicily there was a very important N.Italian repopulation though aside with some norman impact in specific cities.

However many anthrotards here, like in the other thread will jump on my message to use him against sicilians, clearly you can't talk about that here because trolls will re-use everything you have said.

[kefalonitis]

It's a well known fact that Greeks have significant mycenean ancestry come on...

+ I'm not an expert on greek genetic

There is an important study about the greek genetics,go read it if you care so much.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718
If you are not an expert STOP breaking our balls with your nonsense.Understand?
PS.And remove the ''Hellenic'' from your profile.

[Samnium]

There is an important study about the greek genetics,go read it if you care so much.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718
If you are not an expert STOP breaking our balls with your nonsense.Understand?
PS.And take out the ''Hellenic'' from your profile.

I have ancestry from Apulia who's an ancient Messapian/Iapigi settlement (Illyrian people) and that was connected since remote times to Greece (and even modern times). The rest being from inland Cosenza, all provinces/regions that had contact with greeks. I don't know what would be wrong to put Hellenic in my profile, unless you're denying the straight relationship between these parts of the East-Med region.

A paper that prove my point (I had already seen it):

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01802-4

Population expansions during the Middle Ages, for instance those related to the Slavic migrations, could have affected Albania and Continental Greece at least indirectly as a result of subsequent population contacts. We may therefore hypothesize that present-day mainland Greek and Southern Balkan populations detached from a genetic background originally shared with the ‘Mediterranean genetic continuum’ (i.e. Southern Italy and the Mediterranean Greek-islands) after these recent events which interested the Balkan Peninsula in historical times.

[kefalonitis]

I have ancestry from Apulia who's an ancient Messapian/Iapigi settlement (Illyrian people) and that was connected since remote times to Greece (and even modern times). The rest being from inland Cosenza, all provinces/regions that had contact with greeks. I don't know what would be wrong to put Hellenic in my profile, unless you're denying the straight relationship between these parts of the East-Med region.

A paper that prove my point (I had already seen it):

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01802-4

Population expansions during the Middle Ages, for instance those related to the Slavic migrations, could have affected Albania and Continental Greece at least indirectly as a result of subsequent population contacts. We may therefore hypothesize that present-day mainland Greek and Southern Balkan populations detached from a genetic background originally shared with the ‘Mediterranean genetic continuum’ (i.e. Southern Italy and the Mediterranean Greek-islands) after these recent events which interested the Balkan Peninsula in historical times.

Isolated enclaves that payed tribute to Constantinople cannot lead to slavicization of a whole population you fucking shemale
Of course i'm not going to discuss it with a frenchman who lacks knowledge on basics.It's meaningless.
I'm asking only one thing: stop breaking our balls
PS.Remove it

[dududud]

Indeed, the HGDP ones though should be pretty close to those from the interior. In another study I recall those from Arzana to be even more isolated. Would be nice to have some more Sardinians in G25.

Would be interesting.

[Samnium]

Isolated enclaves that payed tribute to Constantinople cannot lead to slavicization of a whole population you fucking shemale

Well you have maybe missed the last 15 years (or even more) of Greek genetics. I don't say that slavicization is equal in all greeks, there are areas that haven't been affected at "all" like southern Peloponnesus. Anyway I don't think that there's something "wrong" to that, it happened, as Central Euros pulled Romans much more northern or Imperial romans drifted all Italy towards East Med populations.

Of course i'm not going to discuss it with a frenchman who lacks knowledge on basics.It's meaningless.

No it's you that lacks basic knowledge, what I've said is a well known fact.

PS.Remove it

I will not remove part of my ancestry.

[kefalonitis]

Peloponesians were the second most stereotyped greek group as slavic.

Using a novel method of quantitative analysis of ADMIXTURE output we find that the Slavic ancestry of
Peloponnesean subpopulations ranges from 0.2 to 14.4%
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718

Are those people ''slavicized''?

there are areas that haven't been affected at "all" like southern Peloponnesus.

Western side of Taygetus,where the slavs dwelled,is in Southern Peloponese.
Look it's obvious you don't have a clue.
Please don't continue with your offtopic nonsense and i'm not interested discussing further with you.

I will not remove part of my ancestry.

[savvas]

For Roman larping purposes...

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ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA:RMPR1021:



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[Samnium]

Peloponesians were the second most stereotyped greek group as slavic.

I just said that SOUTHERN peloponessians received the least SLAVIC admixture contrary to Northern regions of Greece like Epirus for example.

Are those people ''slavicized''?

Slavicized means that there was a noticeable slavic input during Medieval Times, nothing more. It doesn't mean that they became Polish or Ukrainians.

Western side of Taygetus,where the slavs dwelled,is in Southern Peloponese.

Of course, that's why Southern peloponesians are in between other mainlanders and southern italians in PCA plots...

Look it's obvious you don't have a clue.

You obviously don't read the paper that I've sent to you. You're only trying to fit your agenda.

Remember that :



Actually I can tell you an anecdote, several of my italian relatives bear greek names, like my grandmother (Desdemona), or one of my cousins (Telemaco)