were early Slavs just mongrel/watered down Balts?

[WeirdLookingFellow]

To what extent are Aromanian and Romanian mutually inteligible (if at all), I wonder?

Quite some differences but when words aren't different it just sounds like a mix of all three subdialects in Romanian, but here are some notes:

Please - păcălărește in Aromanian, rog in Romanian
To speak - zburășt/zburăsc in Aromanian, vorbesc / grăiesc in Romanian
to live - băneadză in Aromanian, trăiesc (or in the context of living somewhere) - locuiesc in Romanian
For - ti ea/el in Aromanian, pentru el/ea in Romanian
animal - prăvdză in Aromanian, animal/jivină/fiară/lighioană in Romanian
hat - capel in Aromanian, pălărie/căciulă in Romanian
enough time - duri kiro in Aromanian, destul/suficient timp/vreme in Romanian
pair - preacli Ar, pereche Ro
shoes - prăputsă Ar, pantofi/încălțără/papuci Ro
write - anyrăpseashti Ar , scrie Ro
cat - cătushă ar, pisică/mâță Ro
fruit - yimishe / fruct
eat - macu / mănânc
dad - afen / tată/tătâne

[vbnetkhio]

I don’t know with what substrate the Balts mixed on the southern coast of the Baltic Sea. but it was definitely. Initially, the Balts arose in the south and they were not as they are now. However, many people forget that the Balts were originally different and think that the genes of the Lithuanians and Latvians were in the original Balts. This is a blunder.
However, the Slavs have changed too. The Balts mixed with the natives of the Baltic coast, and the Slavs mixed with immigrants from the south - Neolithic farmers. The farther to the west, the more noticeable is this mix with I2

there was no i2a1 farmers south of the Balto-Slavs (in the steppe). there were g2 Cucuteni-Trypilia farmers, then r1a Sredny stog, then and r1b-z2103 and i2a2 in Yamnaya, which is not the same as i2a1 which is found among Slavs.

[vbnetkhio]

I don’t know with what substrate the Balts mixed on the southern coast of the Baltic Sea. but it was definitely. Initially, the Balts arose in the south and they were not as they are now. However, many people forget that the Balts were originally different and think that the genes of the Lithuanians and Latvians were in the original Balts. This is a blunder.
However, the Slavs have changed too. The Balts mixed with the natives of the Baltic coast, and the Slavs mixed with immigrants from the south - Neolithic farmers. The farther to the west, the more noticeable is this mix with I2

i was thinking more about this. Hungarian and German Bronze age seem to be the best fits which pulled Balts away from Baltic Corded Ware. but 4.7 is a big distance, there is still a missing piece.

[1] "nMONTE 3"
[1] "distance%=4.7376"

Baltic_LVA_BA

Corded_Ware_Baltic,46.4
HUN_Mako_EBA,20.8
DEU_Welzin_BA,15.4
Baltic_EST_Comb_Ceramic_low_res,3.8
RUS_Chalmny-Varre,3.8
UKR_Meso,3.2
BGR_Varna_En3,2
ROU_Meso,1.2
UKR_N,1.2
NOR_N_HG,0.8
Baltic_LTU_Narva,0.6
Anatolia_Kumtepe_N_low_res,0.2
POL_EBA,0.2
UKR_Dereivka_I_En1,0.2
UKR_Dereivka_I_En2,0.2

[Token]

i was thinking more about this. Hungarian and German Bronze age seem to be the best fits which pulled Balts away from Baltic Corded Ware. but 4.7 is a big distance, there is still a missing piece.

[1] "nMONTE 3"
[1] "distance%=4.7376"

Baltic_LVA_BA

Corded_Ware_Baltic,46.4
HUN_Mako_EBA,20.8
DEU_Welzin_BA,15.4
Baltic_EST_Comb_Ceramic_low_res,3.8
RUS_Chalmny-Varre,3.8
UKR_Meso,3.2
BGR_Varna_En3,2
ROU_Meso,1.2
UKR_N,1.2
NOR_N_HG,0.8
Baltic_LTU_Narva,0.6
Anatolia_Kumtepe_N_low_res,0.2
POL_EBA,0.2
UKR_Dereivka_I_En1,0.2
UKR_Dereivka_I_En2,0.2

What is missing is the Balto-Slavic drift that occured between the Late Neolithic and Bronze Age. This is why you won't get tight fits in any model for Balto-Slavs, both modern and ancient, using pre Bronze Age samples or Bronze Age samples from outside of Northeast Europe.

[vbnetkhio]

What is missing is the Balto-Slavic drift that occured between the Late Neolithic and Bronze Age. This is why you won't get tight fits in any model for Balto-Slavs, both modern and ancient, using pre Bronze Age samples or Bronze Age samples from outside of Northeast Europe.

but the HUN_Mako_EBA and DEU_Welzin_BA admixture is real? or g25 just isn't meant for modelling genetically drifted populations

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Those that stayed in the northeast turned into proto-Balts, and those proto-Balts didn't move anywhere;

Ancestors of Lithuanians and Latvians actually lived in Russia, near Dvina (if i can remember good). Well, Prussians are another mystery.

[War Chef]

Ancestors of Lithuanians and Latvians actually lived in Russia, near Dvina (if i can remember good). Well, Prussians are another mystery.

Prussians were Balts with Germanic customs/influence they got from Weilbark culture. That's why Tuetonic Knights had such an easy time assimilating them, they were similar.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

What is missing is the Balto-Slavic drift that occured between the Late Neolithic and Bronze Age. This is why you won't get tight fits in any model for Balto-Slavs, both modern and ancient, using pre Bronze Age samples or Bronze Age samples from outside of Northeast Europe.

What? Balto-Slavic split 3000 BC ? I don't take it serious.

[vbnetkhio]

What? Balto-Slavic split 3000 BC ? I don't take it serious.

no, he means proto-Balto-Slavs drifted from other north Europeans. later than that, 2000-1000 bc.

[War Chef]

What is missing is the Balto-Slavic drift that occured between the Late Neolithic and Bronze Age. This is why you won't get tight fits in any model for Balto-Slavs, both modern and ancient, using pre Bronze Age samples or Bronze Age samples from outside of Northeast Europe.

no, he means proto-Balto-Slavs drifted from other north Europeans. later than that, 2000-1000 bc.

You think during Corded ware culture BaltoSlavs and Germanics were one big happy family?