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    Default Günther smiles! Nordic Rome is now CONFIRMED!

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6466/708

    - Indo-European genetic impact constantly there from the Bronze Age to the Roman Republic (80% light haired people on the paintings of Pompeji confirmed)
    - In the early Imperial Age Indo-European DNA has vanished a lot (wars, breeding rates, I guess...)
    - At the same time Iranian-Neolithic DNA rises, this confirms immigration
    - Goths and Langobards seem to spread Indo-European DNA in late ancient times
    - Indo-European DNA fluctuates in medieval and Renaissance time
    - Since the 19th century Nordic/Indo-European DNA is even more decimated -> same time the cultural influence of Italy diminished (same in France, I guess)

    Basically, HFK Günther's book "Lebensgeschichte des römischen Volkes" (Life History of the Roman People) from 1957 is confirmed.

    Now please enter your "Hur-Hur, Nordic isn't Indo-European, hur-hur, cope, cope, cope..."

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    Republic Romans were between North Italians and Iberians. Southwest Europeans. You display quite an untermensch IQ.

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    From the paper (‘Ancient Rome: A genetic crossroads of Europe and the Mediterranean’, Antonio et al, 2019):

    “Here we present 127 genomes from 29 archaeological sites in and around Rome, spanning the past 12,000 years. We observe two major prehistoric ancestry transitions: one with the introduction of farming and another prior to the Iron Age. […]

    We collected data from 11 Iron Age individuals dating from 900 to 200 BCE (including the Republican period). This group shows a clear ancestry shift from the Copper Age, interpreted by ADMIXTURE as the addition of a Steppe-related ancestry component … we modelled the genetic shift by an introduction of ~30 to 40% ancestry from Bronze and Iron Age nomadic populations from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, similar to many Bronze Age populations in Europe. [...]

    The Iron Age witnessed a striking shift in the distribution of Y-chromosome haplogroups compared to previous periods, indicative of large-scale immigration before the Iron Age (our dataset did not contain any Bronze Age individual from central Italy). Five of the seven male individuals in this time period belong to the R-M269 (R1b1a2) group, which is not observed in the nine earlier male samples. Unlike the general R-M343 (R1b) haplogroup, the R-M269 subgroup is thought to be tightly associated with Steppe related ancestry, as it was absent in ancient individuals in western Europe before 3,000 BCE but found in all Bronze Age Yamnaya males from Russia (c. 3,500-3,000 BCE), >90% males associated with the Beaker-complex in Bronze Age Britain (c. 2,700-2,500) and nearly 100% of males in Iberia after 2,000 BCE. Therefore, the appearance of R-M269 at high frequency (5 out of 7) in central Italy is consistent with the arrival of Steppe ancestry detected based on autosomal SNPs, via migration of Steppe pastoralists or intermediary populations in the preceding Bronze Age.”

    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte.../6466/708.full
    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...Antonio_SM.pdf

    Some analysis from Eurogenes:

    "The cluster made up of four early Italic speakers can be modeled with minor Proto-Villanovan-related ancestry, but, perhaps crucially, it doesn't need to be. Indeed, judging by the qpAdm output below, it's possible that almost all of its steppe ancestry came from the Bell Beaker complex, and, thus, the Corded Ware culture complex before that.

    ITA_Italic_IA
    Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale 0.480±0.055
    ITA_Grotta_Continenza_CA 0.411±0.042
    ITA_Proto-Villanovan 0.109±0.084

    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/...on-thread.html


    This indicates the Latins or proto-Latins were originally a northern-European type population who migrated into Italy in the Bronze Age. Predominantly male-driven admixture into the earlier and larger Mediterranean population resulted in them acquiring a substantial amount of north-European type ancestry, shifting them northwards and resulting in a population closer to north Italians. The replacement of male lineages within Italy indicates the newcomers dominated the earlier population and took women. This suggests that elites within the resulting Roman society may have been more northern-European like, but this is neither confirmed nor refuted due to a lack of samples.

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