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    Western Mongolic Kalmyk language

    If you change Mongolian-Kalmyk sound H into guttural sound K, Kalmyk will sound like a branch of Turkic language.

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    The problems with Ket language

    Carriers of these language are few and even those who can speak it are not native speakers ( it is their second language rather than first).

    For example this woman speaks it as if it is a foreign language and she has difficulty to connect words properly. All samples of Ket language which I have met have this problem.

    Second problem. Because Ket people live in proximity to Turkic speakers it is possible that Ket language was influenced by Turkic and not vice versa.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chelubey View Post
    Oh come'on. The author is good man, but has often original looks on turkic ethnogensis(I like original viewpoints). But it's just opinion among thousand opinions .



    What do you mean? You said:

    But this is(Yaglakar->Jalair) the viewpoint of "prominent scholar" orientalist Zuev and some other scholars.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E...B9%D1%8B%D1%80

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97...B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    Sometimes i joked with 'word play'.


    No . I usually referred to real scholars or sound my own opinion.
    Descendants of Yaghlaqar royal family ended up in Gansu, Ediz royal house ended up in Qocho. This is common knowledge backed by documents. Everything else is 'фольк хистори'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SG_Jun View Post
    ‘堅昆部落非狼種, 其先所生之窟在曲漫山北。自謂上代有神與牸牛交於此窟. 其人髮黃, 目綠, 赤髭髯"

    This may imply that the Qirghiz were originally a non-Turkic people who became Turkicized during the Kök Türk period at least partly through inter-tribal marriages.
    Earliest recorded Turkic word 'ay' moon is of Yenisei Kirghiz origin. If they were Turkified, the process took place long before the Türks entered the stage. In fact Türks are latecomers, all the major groups were around before the Türks started gaining prominence.

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    Actually C2 F1756 is more common among Hazaras (specifically jaghouri tribe) and Turkic people of Central Asian than among Mongols (Khalkha, Oirat, Buryat etc.)

    Also C2 M401 is more commong among Hazaras (33%) and Kazakhs (20-25% overall... above 50% in southern kazakhs) than in Mongols (Khalkha - 17%, Oirats - 1-2%, Buryats 1-2%)

    While C2 M407 and M48 are more common among Mongols (M48: Khalkha - 27%, Oirats - 70%, Buryats - 10%. M407: Khalkha - 15%, Oirats - 15-20%, Buryats - 60%).

    C2 M407 is also haplogroup of Dayan Khanids - descendents of 16'th century Chingisid, who was direct descendent of Genghis Khan. Found mostly in modern day Buryats.

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    Kazakh is an ethnic identity formed during and after the middle ages. Before that, there were Turkic and Mongolic ancestors and as autosomal and y-dna revealed Tungusic and Siberian ancestors as well. Dzungars can not be the descendants of Mongols, it is clear by now that they had Tungusic ancestors. Also, Khitans are not of Xianbei origin, but their descendants are the Daur. A lot of mongolic tribes came from the Khamag Mongol confederation. It would be good idea to use orange color "ulbar" as common mongolic, of the eternal fire "munkh-gal".

    C-M401 is the C* star cluster and this doesn't change and it should always have the central place.
    As for its linguistic origins:

    C-M401

    • F12308 Mongolic (Mongols, Hazara, Kazakhs, Mughals, Golden Horde)

    • F10283 Para-Mongolic (Khitans, Aisin Gioro)

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