Classify Cleopatra reconstruction

[Dimitri159]

This

No.

[Dimitri159]

The history behind the Ptolemies is a weird and only half glorious due to civil wars and inbreeding. Only the first five generations of Ptolemaic dynasty could be considered as Macedonian Greek. After the fifth generation they inherited a big nose.

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Ptolemies and Seleucids would find refuge in each others territories. Meaning Egypt and Syria.

IMO she would have looked like something abit like Crazyladybutterfly from South Italy but looks isn't everything it was the way Cleopatra VII carried herself that made her "beautiful" or highly desirable. There were no beauty contests in those days - beauty went far beyond looks.

I’m not sure if you are referring to the Ptolemies exclusively or all Macedonian-Greeks in general, but many Greeks always inherited “a big nose” if you mean the latter. The presence of Dinarid among Greeks goes back way before Ptolemies in Egypt. Dinarid is known for having a big shnoz.

[Dimitri159]

The most un-Greek looking Greek I have ever seen. Racially Taurid..like me.

She’s not Taurid but more like Dinaro-Med+Alpine or possibly Litorid. She looks perfectly Greek and also S. Italian to me. She has a similar look to Greek-Canadian actress Nia Vardalos.

[Dimitri159]

Dinaro-Med+Alpine or even Litorid. She looks perfectly Greek to me.

[catgeorge]

I’m not sure if you are referring to the Ptolemies exclusively or all Macedonian-Greeks in general, but many Greeks always inherited “a big nose” if you mean the latter. The presence of Dinarid among Greeks goes back way before Ptolemies in Egypt. Dinarid is known for having a big shnoz.

Agree - but looks like they inherited non Greek elements with that Jewish nose.

[Dimitri159]

Agree - but looks like they inherited non Greek elements with that Jewish nose.

What exactly is the difference between the Greek Dinarid nose and the Jewish nose?

But the nose type of Cleopatra in her reconstruction looks more stereotypically Greek imo. I imagine Jewish noses to be longer, and hers is large but not quite as long.

[Volvado Seja]

Armenoid

[Roy]

This is consistent with her image immortalised on coins.

[Roy]

The history behind the Ptolemies is a weird and only half glorious due to civil wars and inbreeding. Only the first five generations of Ptolemaic dynasty could be considered as Macedonian Greek. After the fifth generation they inherited a big nose.

They went from this



To this



Ptolemies and Seleucids would find refuge in each others territories. Meaning Egypt and Syria.

IMO she would have looked like something abit like Crazyladybutterfly from South Italy but looks isn't everything it was the way Cleopatra VII carried herself that made her "beautiful" or highly desirable. There were no beauty contests in those days - beauty went far beyond looks.

Later Ptolemies were extremely inbred often having children with siblings or half-siblings, so some features progressively got magnified with each generation achieving this bulging eyes and huge nose look. Some of them were insane too.

[kleenex]

She was mixed Macedonian and Egyptian. She was not a pure Macedonian so yes.