Classify Dagestani singer

[Bakha]

Nurik Tatdanov

[Turul Karom]

Are they Avar Turk?

[Bakha]

Are they Avar Turk?

Avars are not Turkic
He is Kumyk, they speak Turkic language

[Turul Karom]

Avars are not Turkic
He is Kumyk, they speak Turkic language

Avars are Turkic. TA user Buusra can explain to you all about the Avar identity. She is also part Tatar.

[Hajimurad]

Avars are Turkic. TA user Buusra can explain to you all about the Avar identity. She is also part Tatar.

I am Avar and we are not Turkic. You confused us with Pannonian Avars (they were Turanid by race and speak Bulgarian Turkic language, similar to Chuvash). Our racial type is Taurid (Mtebid) and our language belong to Caucasian family. We call themselves Ma'arulal, and Kumyks (our Turkic neighbors) call us Tawlu. Both terms mean "Highlanders".

[Hajimurad]

Racially Nurik is Alpinized Taurid (Mtebid). Kumyks composed of three racial elements - Turanid (Khazars, Kipchaks), Mtebid (assimilated Chechens, Darghins, Avars) and Iranid (assimilated Terekeme - Turcomans from Azerbaijan). The only difference - unlike Turks Kumyks lack European component.

[Turul Karom]

I am Avar and we are not Turkic. You confused us with Pannonian Avars (they were Turanid by race and speak Bulgarian Turkic language, similar to Chuvash). Our racial type is Taurid (Mtebid) and our language belong to Caucasian family. We call themselves Ma'arulal, and Kumyks (our Turkic neighbors) call us Tawlu. Both terms mean "Highlanders".

I have spoken extensively with two academic women who are of Avar descent and identify as Turkic. One of whom associates themselves with the Panonian Avars who predated us in the Carpathian basin. I don't ever recur hearing the term Ma'arulal. Perhaps she is a different sort of Avar? She speaks Turkish and English, and has a very Turkic identity. Are you of the same Avars as Shamil the Avar?

[Hajimurad]

I have spoken extensively with two academic women who are of Avar descent and identify as Turkic. One of whom associates themselves with the Panonian Avars who predated us in the Carpathian basin. I don't ever recur hearing the term Ma'arulal. Perhaps she is a different sort of Avar? She speaks Turkish and English, and has a very Turkic identity. Are you of the same Avars as Shamil the Avar?

Imam Shamil is Caucasian Avar, born in Avar village Gimry in mountain Daghestan. Pannonian Avars never been in Daghestan. Khazars were composed mainly from Savirs, Barsils and Onogurs. Only these Bulgarian-speaking tribes were in plain Daghestan. After Khazar-Arab wars majority of Khazars fled to Volga Bulgaria and those who remained were assimilated by Kipchaks.
About these women: they are probably Turks of distant Avar ancestry, who forgotten their ancestral language, and want to turkify their genealogy.

[Satem]

Alpine+Mtebid

[Turul Karom]

Imam Shamil is Caucasian Avar, born in Avar village Gimry in mountain Daghestan. Pannonian Avars never been in Daghestan. Khazars were composed mainly from Savirs, Barsils and Onogurs. Only these Bulgarian-speaking tribes were in plain Daghestan. After Khazar-Arab wars majority of Khazars fled to Volga Bulgaria and those who remained were assimilated by Kipchaks.
About these women: they are probably Turks of distant Avar ancestry, who forgotten their ancestral language, and want to turkify their genealogy.

I am under the impression that these Caucasian Avars indeed were influenced by fellow Turkic peoples of various stock and share the same legacy as the Panonian Avars as they claim. I am a resource on Hungarian Turkic ancestry. I see no reason why they would want to Turkify themselves, since if they wished, they could simply associate with their Tatar background as their barometer for "Turkicness", but they rather select to call themselves "Avar". Which is why if they wanted the "easy" route, they would simply lean on that Tatar aspect of their ancestry. When I met them, I was under the impression that the Avar Turkic identity was gone with the arrival of the arriving Hungarians absorbing their Panonian remnants into our confederation. Why would they need to exaggerate about the Avar side? Perhaps this is a more nuanced topic of personal identity. The Avars who also went into Panonia were not from the Khazar Empire originally, but the Göktürk empire.

The Hungarians have been to Dagestan and have also left genetic and trace cultural landmarks.