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    Quote Originally Posted by SharpFork View Post
    Expect we have no evidence of that, how come Ukranians were still strongly orthodox until protracted PLC rule over the region? Why isn't half of Ukraine West Slavic or Romanian and the other half straight up Russian if this supposed repopulation happened? Did the 2 populations magically mix and somehow emulate the development of a older regional population?
    Ukraine east of Kiev was pretty much depopulated in the Middle Ages and the first people to settle in there were Cossacks (after 1500). The same goes for Southern and Southwestern Russia (depopulation and then repopulation in the past 400 years). Google "the wild fields". If you can read in Russian, I would recommend the book by Kabuzan on the population of Russia in the 18th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Ukraine east of Kiev was pretty much depopulated in the Middle Ages and the first people to settle in there were Cossacks (after 1500). The same goes for Southern and Southwestern Russia (depopulation and then repopulation in the past 400 years). Google "the wild fields". If you can read in Russian, I would recommend the book by Kabuzan on the population of Russia in the 18th century.
    But the thing is the wildfields or the general European Steppe area continue into Russia up to the middle Volga, plus his argument was that some southern population repopulated or had a relevant input in Ukraine during this period, which we have no real evidence for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SharpFork View Post
    But the thing is the wildfields or the general European Steppe area continue into Russia up to the middle Volga, plus his argument was that some southern population repopulated or had a relevant input in Ukraine during this period, which we have no real evidence for.
    Well, I'm not commenting on what the guy claims, he is not to be taken seriously. Obviously Ukrainians are overwhelmingly Slavic. The Wild Fields in the North were repopulated mainly by Central Russians (Moscow, Ryazan, Tula, Vladimir) while more Southern parts saw a large influx of Little Russians i.e. modern Ukrainians, presumably from around Kiev or more Western areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karol Klačansky View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Well, I'm not commenting on what the guy claims, he is not to be taken seriously. Obviously Ukrainians are overwhelmingly Slavic. The Wild Fields in the North were repopulated mainly by Central Russians (Moscow, Ryazan, Tula, Vladimir) while more Southern parts saw a large influx of Little Russians i.e. modern Ukrainians, presumably from around Kiev or more Western areas.
    Good stuff. Thanks.

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