Daco Celtic's AncestryDNA vs 23andMe (2019 Updates)

[Daco Celtic]

He used to be claiming that he was Norman French.

Cork is a lovely place and the home of Michael Collins one of the most revered men in Irish history. Mao Tse-tung and Yitzhak Shamir admired Michael Collins for his tactics against the British.

Cork people are not just Irish but from the People's Republic of Cork.

http://mirror.uncyc.org/wiki/The_Peo...public_of_Cork

It's great you have your grandmother's dna.

Yeah, I'm amazed they were able to get a sample from a 95 year old (special thanks to my uncle). My great-grandfather (Irish grandfather's father) grew up in Clonakilty so there is a strong connection to Michael Collins.

[Grace O'Malley]

The calculators don't mean squat for NW Europeans. My parents never get their nationalities and I always get Orcadian or Scottish despite having no ancestry from there.

Yes all northwestern Europeans are interchangeable as far as the populations they get in these calculators. You wouldn't want to take them literally and paper trail is the way to go.

[JamesBond007]

The calculators don't mean squat for NW Europeans. My parents never get their nationalities and I always get Orcadian or Scottish despite having no ancestry from there.

I agree with you with the Orcadian but not necessarily with the Scottish results. For instance, Eurogenes K15 seems Orcadian happy. Basically, Francis Parkman and a Roosevelt were of the idea that you could mix the Germans together with the Irish and back into the English to create a new kind of Anglo-Saxon in America that approximates middle England. I am a mixture of Irish, Scottish, English and German and that mix may approximate either Scottish or English but I would not be the typical Englishman as my Celtic Vs Germanic Eurogenes DNA chart shows I fall just under Scotland within the extreme boundaries of 'Englishness' and my Eurogenes k36 PCA shows my closest population as Scottish but I am slightly below it as I pull somewhat towards Germany and of Course Dodecad and Lukasz k36 Calculators say Scottish. The Michal 25 calculator says I am Scottish and two people in real life , two men, said I am Scottish but I really don't ask that many people these kinds of things.

[JamesBond007]

Yes all northwestern Europeans are interchangeable as far as the populations they get in these calculators. You wouldn't want to take them literally and paper trail is the way to go.

The problem with the paper trail is that there have been invasions, raping and pillaging and also voluntary movement in the past. For instance, even though I have a grandfather from Donegal Ireland and it is part of Ulster not technically Northern Ireland but even parts of Donegal experienced Scottish plantations and my grandfather looked Scottish IMO. He married my grandmother who is English and most English women would not marry an Irishman but Scottish men are more palatable or probable for marriage to English women.

[Daco Celtic]

The problem with the paper trail is that there have been invasions, raping and pillaging and also voluntary movement in the past. For instance, even though I have a grandfather from Donegal Ireland and it is part of Ulster not technically Northern Ireland but even parts of Donegal experienced Scottish plantations and my grandfather looked Scottish IMO. He married my grandmother who is English and most English women would not marry an Irishman but Scottish men are more palatable or probable for marriage to English women.

I bet your family just loved Catholics right?

[JamesBond007]

I bet your family just loved Catholics right?

Sorry, for highjacking your thread broham. However, I grew up in New York (not Scotland) and New York culture is a mixture of Catholic and Jewish on a smaller Dutch root. It really depends on where you grow up. I'm not really religious but after reading the philosophy of Arthur Schopenhauer I can see that if I was born in Scotland I would be a Frozen Chosen Presbyterian believing in the utter depravity of mankind but I was born in New York.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, I'm amazed they were able to get a sample from a 95 year old (special thanks to my uncle). My great-grandfather (Irish grandfather's father) grew up in Clonakilty so there is a strong connection to Michael Collins.

My great grandmother was a Collins from Tipperary. Collins though is a very common name in Munster. Yes that's brilliant you got a sample from a 95 year old especially with 23andMe. The scraping from the cheek is much easier than having to spit so your family has done well.

I've read The Assassination of Michael Collins: What Happened At Béal na mBláth? by S.M. Sigerson. It was such a tragedy for Ireland that Michael Collins was assassinated. He would have been a better President than De Valera who kept Ireland isolated for years. Collins was the brains behind Ireland's war of independence. He was only 31 when he was killed. Anyway a bit OT but he is a fascinating man and of course a Corkonian.

[Daco Celtic]

Sorry, for highjacking your thread broham. However, I grew up in New York (not Scotland) and New York culture is a mixture of Catholic and Jewish on a smaller Dutch root. It really depends on where you grow up.

No, don't worry about it. I'm glad this thread could facilitate a British Isles related conversation. The banter is fun. I grew up in the SF Bay Area which has it's own unique culture.

[Grace O'Malley]

The problem with the paper trail is that there have been invasions, raping and pillaging and also voluntary movement in the past. For instance, even though I have a grandfather from Donegal Ireland and it is part of Ulster not technically Northern Ireland but even parts of Donegal experienced Scottish plantations and my grandfather looked Scottish IMO. He married my grandmother who is English and most English women would not marry an Irishman but Scottish men are more palatable or probable for marriage to English women.

Donegal (Dún na nGall, meaning 'fort of the foreigners). Very big Ui Neill country. This study has some interesting information on Donegal.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/38/19064

[Daco Celtic]

My great grandmother was a Collins from Tipperary. Collins though is a very common name in Munster. Yes that's brilliant you got a sample from a 95 year old especially with 23andMe. The scraping from the cheek is much easier than having to spit so your family has done well.

I've read The Assassination of Michael Collins: What Happened At Béal na mBláth? by S.M. Sigerson. It was such a tragedy for Ireland that Michael Collins was assassinated. He would have been a better President than De Valera who kept Ireland isolated for years. Collins was the brains behind Ireland's war of independence. He was only 31 when he was killed. Anyway a bit OT but he is a fascinating man and of course a Corkonian.

Yeah, I grew up Catholic so I strongly identify with Irish-American Catholic culture and would like to read the book you mentioned. It's hard to believe how young he was at the time of his death. I assume you've seen the movie with Liam Neeson? I think I went through Tipperary when traveling from Cork to Limerick if memory serves me correctly.