MyHeritage or 23andMe?

[Pine]

thank you gorgeous.are you sure about this? how many samples have you seen? but i'm ready to change my mind on this, since you know more obviously. antropology is not helpful here at all, i would say, so yeah, it doesn't matter what people said about karaims decades ago. bob like some other jews does have mongoloid vibes. it might come from finnish or russian roots of his (if he is mixed with them). or it can come from turkish tribes. or it might just be part of his look and he is not mongoloid influenced at all (genetically). either way not only can jews look a bit turkish but they can look almost egyptian like drake, because of mixing. but this is another case indeed. we don't know about bob's family and judging by looks is stretching things quite a bit, i agree on this.the guy who runs the site wrote this "overall, east european karaites are largely a middle eastern people descended from the israelites, but like other jewish populations they are a mosaic - the descendants of several ethnic groups that joined this specific stream of judaism during different periods. aside from their israelite component, our dna study has led us to conclude that they also descend in part from ethnic groups that lived in the byzantine empire and in asia. they may have small amounts of western european and caucasus region ancestries (the byzantine empire at times included portions of those regions)."Because of other Karaims who had stronger Jewish links (these people weren't religious really). But they were related to other Karaims and had Jewish surnames too. Again, i don't know things for sure and might be better informed after doing a DNA test.

How many samples? Probably seen around 10 23andMes, calculator results etc. The Sephardic G25 sample is based on Turkish Jews and maybe also Bulgarian and Greek Jews. I've also seen 23andMes from Crimean Karaites. Jews, in particular, Ashkenazim, do have East Asian admixture. I have 1.5-3% of it, which is very high. All the research on it points to China and not Central Asia, while mine comes out as Southeast Asian.

Yes, "Caucasus region ancestries" - that's not Turkic.

I reread this 3 times and it still makes no sense:

"Because of other Karaims who had stronger Jewish links (these people weren't religious really). But they were related to other Karaims and had Jewish surnames too.

[Methuselah]

How many samples? Probably seen around 10 23andMes, calculator results etc. The Sephardic G25 sample is based on Turkish Jews and maybe also Bulgarian and Greek Jews. I've also seen 23andMes from Crimean Karaites. Jews, in particular, Ashkenazim, do have East Asian admixture. I have 1.5-3% of it, which is very high. All the research on it points to China and not Central Asia, while mine comes out as Southeast Asian.

Yes, "Caucasus region ancestries" - that's not Turkic.

I reread this 3 times and it still makes no sense:

I never made any strong claims about Turkic admixture in Jews.

It makes no sense that people in my family tree are related to Ukrainian Karaims? What i'm trying to say is that they didn't have strong Jewish identity, but had Karaim cousins and Jewish names. They were converts probably.

[Pine]

I never made any strong claims about Turkic admixture in Jews.

It makes no sense that people in my family tree are related to Ukrainian Karaims? What i'm trying to say is that they didn't have strong Jewish identity, but had Karaim cousins and Jewish names. They were converts probably.

I don't get it. Are you saying that the ancestors you traced yourself to had Karaite cousins? How does "They were converts probably" play into this?

[Methuselah]

I don't get it. Are you saying that the ancestors you traced yourself to had Karaite cousins? How does "They were converts probably" play into this?

You asked me how do i know they were of Karaim descent, even if they had Jewish roots. I answered you that they were related to other Karaims because of the family tree research and simply interracting with other Karaim cousins. Many of these people knew they were of Karaim descent but didn't live up to Karaim faith or Jewish faith particularly. Some of them converted to Christianity, some were irreligious or just had random theist views. Again, i will know a little better after DNA testing my family.

I'm gonna order a 23andme kit. You said ancestry has better jewdar but i put my trust in 23andme.

[Pine]

You asked me how do i know they were of Karaim descent, even if they had Jewish roots. I answered you that they were related to other Karaims because of the family tree research and simply interracting with other Karaim cousins. Many of these people knew they were of Karaim descent but didn't live up to Karaim faith or Jewish faith particularly. Some of them converted to Christianity, some were irreligious or just had random theist views. Again, i will know a little better after DNA testing my family.

I'm gonna order a 23andme kit. You said ancestry has better jewdar but i put my trust in 23andme.

You realize that Crimean Karaites barely exist, right? I'm lucky to know someone who has met one. I'm unfamiliar with any of them converting to Christianity and/or intermarrying prior to the Soviet Union. Wikipedia estimates 2500 remain around the world, but I'm betting that includes mixed people. Also, they score 0-1% Ashkenazi on 23andMe.

[Nazarene]

Good choice OP

[Östsvensk]

Too bad if you ordered a kit right now when Black Friday is up... although it is not for certain if 23andme will do a Black Friday sale, but they did last year.

[Methuselah]

You realize that Crimean Karaites barely exist, right? I'm lucky to know someone who has met one. I'm unfamiliar with any of them converting to Christianity and/or intermarrying prior to the Soviet Union. Wikipedia estimates 2500 remain around the world, but I'm betting that includes mixed people. Also, they score 0-1% Ashkenazi on 23andMe.

What do they score on 23andMe?

Too bad if you ordered a kit right now when Black Friday is up... although it is not for certain if 23andme will do a Black Friday sale, but they did last year.

Haven't ordered any kits yet. They already have good deals for Europeans right now but i'm waiting for some Christmas stuff. It's not gonna come probably, so i should just order a kit and stop worrying about saving money.

[Östsvensk]

What do they score on 23andMe?

Haven't ordered any kits yet. They already have good deals for Europeans right now but i'm waiting for some Christmas stuff. It's not gonna come probably, so i should just order a kit and stop worrying about saving money.

Yeah, it is 79€ for Ancestry + Traits now, but last year it was even lowered to $59 and $49 each for two kits on Black Friday, at least in the US.

FTDNA was just $39 for Family Finder last year.

[Pine]

What do they score on 23andMe?

I'm not at liberty to post their results, but they're heavily Middle Eastern, very little Ashkenazi.