Were early Romans and ancient Italians WHITE?

[renaissance12]

Interesting how Etruscans are very similar to present-day North Italians. Some people forget that, before the Gauls, Northern Italy was mostly inhabited by Etruscan-related people.
It suggests North Italians clustered roughly as they do today since pre-Gaulish times. Imperial Roman admixture probably shifted them south, but that was counterbalanced by Gaulish and Germanic admixture and they ended up returning to where they were.

In Triveneto ( Veneto Trentino~Altoadige Friuli) There Werw Venetic and Rhaetian PeopLe .......No Etruscans

[Duffmannn]

Many north italians are not white so.

[Dna8]

I haven't made formal comment yet regarding what, Samnium's, thread about that genetic study of ancient Romans, clearly confirms, in terms of aesthetics.

But, it is (and has always been) clear that the ancient Romans, whether soldiers or senators or farmers, were swarthy Southern Europeans.

Kindest regards,

Dna8

[guezet]

[sean]

Ancient Romans are very genetically distinct from NW Europeans, Iron Age Romans are genetically closest to people from Tuscany, so if modern day Central Italians aren't white then the Romans aren't either.

Romans integrated and assimilated anyone and everyone, from the lowest jews and arabs to straight up negroes from Ethiopia (although ancient Greeks did distinguish between real, civilised Ethiopians in the east (which in all fairness they did say were connected to ancient Egypt), and their most primitive, animal-like "Ethiopian" neighbours. Ancient Romans on the other hand called all blacks "Ethiopians").

Whiteness did not matter nearly as much to them as the submission to Rome as an idea and a nation-state. They should have kept their iron grip on Italian Peninsula and the rest should have been treated as the subjugated people they were, in trying to make everyone Roman, the term lost its meaning.

[NSXD60]

Romans were closely linked to Celts before entering Italy, their languages being dialects of each other, both having steppe ancestry, Romans heading towards the populous south, Celts the sparsely settled west, Romans preserving their language better, less well their race, and Celts greatly altering their language, but maintaining their PIE genotype to a large extent. Nothing new here, but the general consensus since the beginning of the 20th century, no Dna required, just eyeballs. Of course one has to suffer wannabes (OWDs), and self haters spewing nonsense about PIEs being robust Meds, when they both should be taking robust meds for delusion. Now, were PIEs originally Meds 30K years ago isolated from a lighter Med population, the latter darkened by Menas moving north to the Mediterranean after their kin migrated towards the Black Sea region? Who knows?
In other words, were these Med regions already halfway PIE in race?

[Vegtamr]

Ancient Italians were made up of the same basal populations, albeit in different proportions of admixture, as the rest of Europe. Ashkenazi Jews have ancestors from a region not shared with any European group. Thus, ancient Italians were white, and Ashkenazi Jews are not.

[Incal]

According to which standards. Nowadays "white" is a word hacked by Anglos and hence, mean UK and sorroundings.

[sailormoon]

The Southern Italian groups show a general high affinity with Anatolian and European Neolithic farmers, and cluster closely with the Chalcolithic and Bronze Age samples from Anatolian and Aegean (Minoan and Mycenaean) populations.



Ancient individuals are labelled and symbol-coded according to their associated culture, as reported. The position of newly-analyzed Southern Italian populations in the PCA space defined by modern individuals is indicated by the dashed gray circle.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82591-9

[Flashball]

The Southern Italian groups show a general high affinity with Anatolian and European Neolithic farmers, and cluster closely with the Chalcolithic and Bronze Age samples from Anatolian and Aegean (Minoan and Mycenaean) populations.



Ancient individuals are labelled and symbol-coded according to their associated culture, as reported. The position of newly-analyzed Southern Italian populations in the PCA space defined by modern individuals is indicated by the dashed gray circle.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82591-9

No, they have a good amount of levantine and iranian farmers admixture

And they don't clust with sardinians (high EEF, with good amount of WHG in the central area).