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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    They can be modeled as roughly 50% european so it's not fair saying that romans weren't white because closer to them than extreme-north europeans (like scandinavians)
    Of course..just they're not purely European really, and the folks from Stormfront.org would have a massive heart attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOldNorth View Post
    If you consider the EEF to be white then yes
    Well the EEF were light skinned and had already genes for light eyes and hair. Keep in mind all Europeans from North to South are descendants of the 3 population, EEF, WHG and Steppe/Yamnaya people. What makes Northern Europeans and Southern Europeans distinct from each other is their different percentage of their EEF and Yamnaya admixture. Northern Europeans are almost 50% Yamnaya and around 30-40% EEF. Southern Europeans on the contrary are often around 50-60% EEF and maxium 30% Yamnaya. Sardinians have less than 10% Steppe ancestry and are almost 80% EEF. So Italics or the original Romans were genetically between Northern Europeans and Southern Europeans with small Steppe admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    Well, not really. Ashkenazi Jews are 45% genetically Canaanites on average which is on the same level as Palestinian Muslims. Not to mention that they do have Berber admixture as well. In other words, Ashkenazi Jews are genetically over 50% MENA on average.
    From the LM K36 nMonte runner

    "sample": "German_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.34,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 55.83,
    "Swiss_Italian": 44.17,
    "PL_Lublin": 0,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.226184",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 5.142515",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.630831"

    "sample": "Poland_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.779,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 50,
    "Swiss_Italian": 45.83,
    "PL_Lublin": 4.17
    ,
    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.799582",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 4.870496",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.011543"

    "sample": "Belarus_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.4917,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 49.17,
    "Swiss_Italian": 35.83,
    "PL_Lublin": 15
    ,
    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.784806",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 4.940163",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 7.230958"

    "sample": "Latvia_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.4635,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 55,
    "Swiss_Italian": 39.17,
    "PL_Lublin": 5.83,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.266021",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 5.205547",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.080518"

    "sample": "France_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.5549,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 55.83,
    "Swiss_Italian": 44.17,
    "PL_Lublin": 0,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.318602",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 5.182292",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.739239"

    "sample": "NL_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.3248,
    "Swiss_Italian": 59.17,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 28.33,
    "PL_Lublin": 12.5,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 3.134308",
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 6.475239",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 6.765979"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Ashkenazi Jews don't score that much Berber though. Definitely not over 5%.
    Well..it's 6.6% on average, so..
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post621108

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    From the LM K36 nMonte runner

    "sample": "German_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.34,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 55.83,
    "Swiss_Italian": 44.17,
    "PL_Lublin": 0,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.226184",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 5.142515",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.630831"
    Why would their European ancestry be closest to Swiss Italians? I'd say it is more likely that their European ancestry is predominantly East Mediterranean with some Slavic and German accretion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    From the LM K36 nMonte runner

    "sample": "German_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.34,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 55.83,
    "Swiss_Italian": 44.17,
    "PL_Lublin": 0,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.226184",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 5.142515",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.630831"

    "sample": "Poland_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.779,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 50,
    "Swiss_Italian": 45.83,
    "PL_Lublin": 4.17
    ,
    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.799582",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 4.870496",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.011543"

    "sample": "Belarus_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.4917,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 49.17,
    "Swiss_Italian": 35.83,
    "PL_Lublin": 15
    ,
    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.784806",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 4.940163",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 7.230958"

    "sample": "Latvia_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.4635,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 55,
    "Swiss_Italian": 39.17,
    "PL_Lublin": 5.83,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.266021",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 5.205547",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.080518"

    "sample": "France_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.5549,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 55.83,
    "Swiss_Italian": 44.17,
    "PL_Lublin": 0,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.318602",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 5.182292",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.739239"

    "sample": "NL_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.3248,
    "Swiss_Italian": 59.17,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 28.33,
    "PL_Lublin": 12.5,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 3.134308",
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 6.475239",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 6.765979"
    There are clearly significant differences between eastern and western Ashkenazi.

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    LA CREATURA ROMANA DELLA REPUBBLICA


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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    From the LM K36 nMonte runner

    "sample": "German_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.34,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 55.83,
    "Swiss_Italian": 44.17,
    "PL_Lublin": 0,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.226184",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 5.142515",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.630831"

    "sample": "Poland_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.779,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 50,
    "Swiss_Italian": 45.83,
    "PL_Lublin": 4.17
    ,
    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.799582",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 4.870496",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.011543"

    "sample": "Belarus_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.4917,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 49.17,
    "Swiss_Italian": 35.83,
    "PL_Lublin": 15
    ,
    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.784806",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 4.940163",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 7.230958"

    "sample": "Latvia_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.4635,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 55,
    "Swiss_Italian": 39.17,
    "PL_Lublin": 5.83,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.266021",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 5.205547",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.080518"

    "sample": "France_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.5549,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 55.83,
    "Swiss_Italian": 44.17,
    "PL_Lublin": 0,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 4.318602",
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 5.182292",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 8.739239"

    "sample": "NL_Ashkenazy:Average",
    "fit": 1.3248,
    "Swiss_Italian": 59.17,
    "Lebanon_Christian": 28.33,
    "PL_Lublin": 12.5,

    "closestDistances": [
    "Swiss_Italian:average: 3.134308",
    "Lebanon_Christian:average: 6.475239",
    "PL_Lublin:average: 6.765979"
    *ahem* I was talking about the ancient genetic components of Ashkenazi Jews. Here's the G25 average results of Palestinian mulsims:

    "sample": "Test1alestinian",
    "fit": 1.355,
    "Lebanese_Christian": 69.17,
    "Egyptian": 15,
    "BedouinB": 12.5,
    "Dinka": 3.33,

    Palestinian Christians:

    "sample": "Test1alestinian_Beit_Sahour",
    "fit": 2.2582,
    "Lebanese_Christian": 95.83,
    "BedouinB": 4.17,
    "Dinka": 0,
    "Egyptian": 0,

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    All of the above samples except maybe one seem to be closer to Germans than to Ashkenazis.

    I'm also surprised by how close the protovillanovan is to Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    Well this is just one way they could be modeled (6% Guanche). For example, it also gives 24% Iberian but Ashkenazis clearly don't derive a quarter of their ancestry from Iberia.

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