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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurzat View Post
    Balkan DNA was brought by Vlachs, of course, but in no way Moldovans are more Vlach than Romanians. Moldovans cannot cluster as this "average" for Global25 shows, based on the results of all Moldovans both from Romania and from Rep. of Moldova I saw online. if you didn't see it, then use Gedmatch oracles as reference and you'll see the same - Moldovans approx halfway between Romanians and Ukrainians, not more Balkan than Romanians
    Moldovans like weirdlookingfellow, Seya and Andre (who is even part Hungarian) are pretty southern shifted. There seem to be genetic variety inside Moldova.
    Zmey is lot more northern than them and around Moldovan average on K13 which was made from many outliers obviously.

    I am really curious for Asprin results, no idea why he didn't get them yet as he ordered his 23andme kit before Stears as far as I know.

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    Oh, I forgot IncelSlayer who is extremely northern shifted and he is also a Moldovan. He is also only Moldovan with zero eastern stuff. Based on these results alone, I can't make any conclusion.

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    A QUESTION for everyone here…….

    recently i tried several systems based on G25 populations. For example this one with 8 ancient components :


    BALTIC_EST_BA

    BALTIC_LVA_BA

    BELL BEAKER_CZE

    BELL_BEAKER_IBERIA

    DEU_MA

    GRC_MINOAN_LASSITHI

    GRC_MYCENEAN

    LEVANT_CANAANITE_MBA



    Although i'm a beginner i realize doesn't exixst such a thing like "perfect" system. Anyway , please, let me know where is my mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iskander View Post
    A QUESTION for everyone here…….

    recently i tried several systems based on G25 populations. For example this one with 8 ancient components :


    BALTIC_EST_BA

    BALTIC_LVA_BA

    BELL BEAKER_CZE

    BELL_BEAKER_IBERIA

    DEU_MA

    GRC_MINOAN_LASSITHI

    GRC_MYCENEAN

    LEVANT_CANAANITE_MBA



    Although i'm a beginner i realize doesn't exixst such a thing like "perfect" system. Anyway , please, let me know where is my mistake.
    The two most important foundational populations for most Europeans are IMO Corded Ware Baltic early + Poland Globular Amphora.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Oh, I forgot IncelSlayer who is extremely northern shifted and he is also a Moldovan. He is also only Moldovan with zero eastern stuff. Based on these results alone, I can't make any conclusion.
    a model I made for Europeans:

    Code:
    Slavic:Ukrainian,0.1308965,0.1243879,0.0688191,0.057937,0.037941,0.0215781,0.0085677,0.0113204,-0.0029919,-0.0212695,-0.0017213,-0.007823,0.0155669,0.0218741,-0.0113268,-0.0016895,0.0040456,-0.000619,0.0025067,0.0016258,-0.0045349,-0.0037167,0.0069019,-0.00409,0.0006295
    Slavic:Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577382,0.0406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
    Slavic:Russian_Orel,0.1312217,0.1186719,0.0717069,0.0624774,0.0331489,0.0222316,0.0085273,0.0119994,-0.0049086,-0.0253049,-0.0012991,-0.0071936,0.0147176,0.0233369,-0.0120401,-0.0008146,0.0023841,-0.0019726,0.0030347,0.001483,-0.0045277,-0.0055643,0.0058277,-0.0053536,-0.001112
    Baltic:Lithuanian,0.1371568,0.127703,0.0846638,0.0816382,0.0467778,0.0300505,0.009518,0.0169608,0.0020453,-0.028019,-0.0071045,-0.0112402,0.0237112,0.0334422,-0.0093308,-0.0002983,-0.0041395,-0.001457,0.0004712,0.0034078,-0.0032132,-0.0038332,0.0104758,-0.0098205,-8.97e-05
    Baltic:Latvian,0.1354494,0.122473,0.0887742,0.089471,0.043208,0.0340246,0.0125966,0.0140762,-0.002168,-0.0368842,-0.0035728,-0.0138178,0.0232208,0.031378,-0.010559,0.0040572,0.0027118,-0.0003802,0.0016088,0.0043022,-0.0027952,-0.0057128,0.0090708,-0.0093264,0.0026346
    Balkan:Albanian,0.1181863,0.1417511,0.0155562,-0.0158808,0.0251586,-0.0074138,0.0033683,0.0018077,0.0006648,0.0161279,0.0011097,0.0015486,-0.0070986,0.0066059,-0.019295,-0.0041544,0.0081273,0.0014992,0.0082962,-0.0059402,-0.0055629,0.0007212,0.0024238,0.0021991,-0.0025248
    Balkan:Greek,0.1181231,0.1434154,0.0131992,-0.0191288,0.0202087,-0.005206,0.0016581,-0.0003717,0.0006363,0.0135361,0.000433,0.0022146,-0.0031218,0.007661,-0.0169649,-0.0018488,0.0083735,0.0005772,0.0052094,-0.0036058,-0.0072165,0.0013808,0.0019583,-0.0008969,-0.0013772
    West_Med:Sardinian,0.1206524,0.1679686,0.0276806,-0.0515508,0.0603188,-0.0224786,-0.003478,0.004292,0.0427048,0.0798558,-0.0020784,0.0158856,-0.0270266,-0.0131842,-0.0132192,-0.004614,0.0120476,-0.0013176,0.0017596,-0.012931,-0.0050908,-0.0042044,-0.0097122,-0.021087,0.0008382
    West_Med:Basque_French,0.128051,0.1520246,0.0551727,0.0128231,0.0564104,0.0025099,-0.00141,0.0033229,0.0305968,0.0412036,-0.0092724,0.0103408,-0.0209761,-0.0140237,0.0132192,-0.0019359,-0.0119173,0.0030278,-0.0007165,-0.0044144,0.010157,0.0024855,-0.0086397,-0.0091698,7.18e-05
    West_Med:Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.0090081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619
    Celtic:French_Brittany,0.1313519,0.1370965,0.0606788,0.0460598,0.0397304,0.0191876,0.004418,0.0032306,0.0078741,0.0068339,-0.0060733,0.005725,-0.0159364,-0.0137486,0.0178065,0.0041103,-0.0086184,0.0004053,-0.0006284,0.0031889,0.0026329,0.003895,-0.002009,0.0079528,0.0015807
    Celtic:Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876,0.0482532,0.0383388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.0031318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745,0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665
    Celtic:Swiss_German,0.127624,0.1407779,0.0460088,0.0227311,0.0406229,0.0073906,0.0027906,0.0051344,0.0086409,0.0121641,-0.0015224,0.005264,-0.0149402,-0.008808,0.0083638,-0.0011269,-0.0025912,0.0012192,0.0053735,-0.0009222,0.0019341,0.0035086,-0.0025574,0.006974,-0.0025596
    Germanic:Swedish,0.1340007,0.1283722,0.0715329,0.0557909,0.0414202,0.0213225,0.006847,0.0089682,0.0046947,-0.0067261,-0.004451,0.001635,-0.0048315,-0.0036907,0.0150773,0.0039838,-0.0074379,0.002004,0.003851,0.0046385,0.0064205,0.0021357,0.0009244,0.0106969,-0.0002994
    Germanic:German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0.002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
    Finnic:Karelian,0.1273094,0.0768108,0.093286,0.0808381,0.0275575,0.0224719,0.0102478,0.0152161,0.0017601,-0.0294117,0.0052308,-0.0110312,0.0189294,0.0089496,-0.00445,0.0013259,-0.0023746,-0.0014089,-0.0018435,0.0037822,0.0064659,-0.0009743,0.001154,0.0006975,0.0038138
    Finnic:Estonian,0.1329454,0.1141455,0.087756,0.0833017,0.0427771,0.0297575,0.0113745,0.0144457,0.0004091,-0.028447,6.5e-05,-0.0123489,0.0194597,0.0213591,-0.0066639,0.0017104,0.0002216,-0.0024832,0.0013451,0.0022137,0.001385,-0.0018672,0.0042644,0.0007471,0.0030535
    Caucasian:Georgian_Imer,0.108132,0.1332374,-0.0619988,-0.0459952,-0.0383456,-0.0089246,0.0113746,-0.0056768,-0.0639748,-0.0175312,-0.0004546,0.0130384,-0.0251532,0.0072388,0.001873,-0.0238662,0.0070668,-0.0044088,-0.0095026,0.0153074,0.0115046,0.0013602,2.46e-05,-0.0070852,-0.0017964
    Levantine:Palestinian,0.0455292,0.134253,-0.0473285,-0.0780045,-0.0126482,-0.0297299,-0.0062276,-0.0019845,0.0167504,-0.0003096,0.0081843,-0.0096364,0.0203072,-0.0013211,-0.00095,0.0097452,-0.0020079,-0.001761,8.81e-05,0.0025387,0.0011356,0.0052801,-0.0001603,0.0023977,0.001844
    Levantine:Cypriot,0.0997375,0.146744,-0.0378534,-0.0702525,-0.0070011,-0.0242986,0.001645,-0.0047594,0.0029656,0.0138728,0.0044454,-0.0001499,0.0025459,0.0018234,-0.0086014,0.0008947,0.0023631,0.0009978,0.0022469,-0.0012506,-0.0024489,0.0011438,-0.0027115,0.0017774,-0.0020656
    Levantine:Greek_Crete,0.1104083,0.144205,-0.0155877,-0.0486653,0.004821,-0.0173843,0.00329,-0.003692,-0.0032727,0.012635,0.0023277,0.0017483,-0.0005947,0.0042663,-0.0078263,0.0024307,0.0099963,0.0045187,0.0010053,-0.0016257,-0.0014143,-0.0002473,-0.0002053,-0.000241,-0.000439
    Turkic:Turkmen,0.0811938,-0.053823,-0.0083593,-0.004845,-0.0412383,-0.0036255,0.0096353,0.0082688,-0.0133623,-0.0095067,-0.0060627,-0.0018233,0.0010902,-0.0070417,0.0041168,0.007646,-0.0036073,0.0019003,0.0005868,-0.0026055,-0.0072372,-0.0037095,-0.0040468,0.0001808,0.0027543
    Turkic:Kirghiz,0.0599469,-0.2592983,0.0488999,-0.0129559,-0.0389472,-0.0149053,0.0107583,0.0113586,-0.0062493,0.0017617,-0.0279488,-0.0016486,0.0012389,-0.0039452,0.0019001,-0.001488,-0.0023468,0.0017456,0.0036593,0.0094212,-0.0138506,-0.0070482,-0.0111333,-0.0015263,0.002355
    Turkic:Tatar_Siberian,0.0829112,-0.1372568,0.065361,0.026248,-0.0439273,-0.0095263,0.0076687,0.0092424,-0.0067815,-0.0176961,0.0025555,-0.0037782,0.010993,-0.0203248,-0.0068574,-0.001619,-0.0020929,-0.0003467,-0.0007078,0.0006056,-0.0075327,0.0036444,-0.0031201,-5.07e-05,-0.0003657
    Indian:Paniya,0.0085637,-0.1650478,-0.1863694,0.1380143,-0.048683,0.0526173,-0.0055841,0.0167904,0.0864746,0.0548009,0.0048639,0.0002854,-0.0030087,0.0140964,-0.0226783,-0.0274207,0.0106108,-0.0005973,-0.0033041,0.0280373,0.0073857,0.0130011,-0.0094138,0.0062888,-0.0075499
    Mongolic:Mongolian,0.0516758,-0.3278128,0.0638842,-0.0265506,-0.045916,-0.0297298,0.014242,0.0177686,-0.0009406,0.008966,-0.0321206,-0.0031172,-0.000327,-0.0007432,0.0032574,0.0006894,-0.0033898,0.0001014,0.0042236,0.0090292,-0.021537,-0.0095706,-0.0186106,0.0002652,0.0007422
    Mongolic:Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
    African:Bantu_Kenya,-0.599848,0.064994,0.014331,0.01292,0.004308,0.006414,-0.009635,0.028845,0.00409,-0.026606,-0.002273,0.01124,-0.032408,0.004542,-0.033523,0.024131,-0.015125,-0.002407,-0.016718,0.004502,0.002121,-0.006059,-0.00456,0.001084,0.002036
    some results:


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    Interesting to see how Portugueses despite being so far South after Biscay Bay are among the Top5 continental europeans related to Irish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    Interesting to see how Portugueses despite being so far South after Biscay Bay are among the Top5 continental europeans related to Irish.
    with the model I posted above on this page:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurzat View Post
    with the model I posted above on this page:

    Are Irish more west-med than Scots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    The ancestral components of modern Levantines, Egyptians and Saudis.
    And what about Jews?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurzat View Post
    playing around at https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

    feel free to post your models.

    here is one for Celtic admix, using Irish as proxy - we have to bear in mind that not all of that score is Celtic, since Irish must be quite mixed with English, i.e. must contain some Germanic/Saxon, and also that Celtic was probably more of a cultural/linguistic division than a genetic one in the first place.

    this considered, the graph is still informative enough for who wants to "read" it - just look at French-Brittany/English-Cornwall, for instance, I was surprised by their result

    I don't think Swedish is the best choice for Saxon admixture. Frisian and Danish would be and in the case if Scotland and Ireland Norwegian would be significant. Anyway, using your model It seems I am like a mix of Cornish and Scottish but closer to Scottish :

    Target: Kevin_scaled
    Distance: 2.8494% / 0.02849421


    78.6 Irish
    17.0 Swedish
    2.0 Sardinian
    1.2 Mongolian
    1.2 Bantu_Kenya
    0.0 Karelian
    0.0 Lithuanian
    0.0 Ukrainian
    0.0 Georgian_Imer
    0.0 Greek_Crete
    0.0 Palestinian
    0.0 Paniya


    P.S. I also have a small amount of non-white admixture probably because I am from the New World America.

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