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    First post is with Irish.

    This is what Irish get with the full dataset.

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.4395% / 0.00439474
    Aggregated
    74.6 Scottish
    10.6 Shetlandic
    6.0 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    5.0 Icelandic
    3.4 French_Brittany
    0.4 Jatt_Pathak

    Removed Scottish

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.4880% / 0.00488013
    Aggregated
    34.6 Orcadian
    22.8 Shetlandic
    15.2 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    15.0 Icelandic
    10.2 English_Cornwall
    1.6 French_Brittany
    0.6 Darginian

    Removed Orcadian

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.6794% / 0.00679450
    Aggregated
    40.4 French_Brittany
    35.8 Norwegian
    12.4 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    6.6 Dutch
    3.0 Darginian
    1.0 Spanish_Asturias
    0.6 Shetlandic
    0.2 Igorot

    Removed Shetlandic

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.5549% / 0.00554939
    Aggregated
    40.8 English_Cornwall
    25.6 Icelandic
    11.6 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    10.0 Norwegian
    8.8 French_Brittany
    2.4 Darginian
    0.4 Tajik_Rushan
    0.2 Ju_hoan_North
    0.2 Kalash

    Removed English Cornwall

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.5794% / 0.00579380
    Aggregated
    30.4 English
    25.8 Icelandic
    17.8 French_Brittany
    12.8 Norwegian
    10.6 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    2.4 Darginian
    0.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ

    Removed English

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.5920% / 0.00591957
    Aggregated
    37.2 Icelandic
    19.8 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    17.2 French_Brittany
    16.0 Welsh
    7.6 Norwegian
    2.2 Darginian

    Removed Welsh

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.5945% / 0.00594488
    Aggregated
    40.6 Icelandic
    26.2 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    21.0 French_Brittany
    9.8 Norwegian
    2.4 Darginian

    Removed Icelandic

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.6841% / 0.00684147
    Aggregated
    41.6 French_Brittany
    35.4 Norwegian
    14.0 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    6.4 Dutch
    2.4 Darginian
    0.2 Kaitag

    Anyway process of elimination and the Irish appear to be most similar to French Bretons and Norwegians on the Continent. This is in line with the Irish DNA Atlas.

    Anyone can do this for the populations they are interested in. You just need Vahuaduo https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/ and the Global 25 spreadsheet for the modern pop averages scaled https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sME...Y-UH19KKm/view

    If no one else wants to I'll do for the British populations in the future.

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    It will be interesting to compare and contrast when these are all done.

    Scottish with full dataset.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.2360% / 0.00235986
    Aggregated
    29.6 Orcadian
    22.6 Irish
    17.8 English_Cornwall
    13.6 English
    7.2 Shetlandic
    4.2 Icelandic
    2.6 Dutch
    1.6 Norwegian
    0.4 Darginian
    0.2 Ket
    0.2 Shor_Mountain

    Scottish with Orcadian removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.2902% / 0.00290234
    Aggregated
    46.0 Irish
    21.0 English
    17.2 English_Cornwall
    6.2 Icelandic
    4.6 Shetlandic
    2.0 German_East
    0.8 Lithuanian_PZ
    0.6 Spanish_Canarias
    0.4 Dutch
    0.4 Welsh_o
    0.2 Ket
    0.2 Khanty
    0.2 Lithuanian_VZ
    0.2 Shor_Mountain

    Scottish with Irish removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.3911% / 0.00391065
    Aggregated
    31.4 English
    23.2 English_Cornwall
    20.6 Icelandic
    17.2 Shetlandic
    5.0 French_Brittany
    1.0 Darginian
    1.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    0.4 Shor_Mountain
    0.2 Karitiana

    Scottish with English removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.4205% / 0.00420540
    Aggregated
    41.2 English_Cornwall
    26.0 Icelandic
    15.4 Shetlandic
    7.6 Welsh
    6.6 French_Brittany
    1.4 Darginian
    1.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    0.2 Basque_Spanish
    0.2 Shor_Khakassia
    0.2 Shor_Mountain
    0.2 Zapotec

    Scottish with Cornwall removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.4930% / 0.00493026
    Aggregated
    34.0 Icelandic
    29.2 Welsh
    19.6 Shetlandic
    10.8 French_Brittany
    4.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    1.2 Darginian
    0.4 Shor_Mountain
    0.2 Papuan

    Scottish with Welsh removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.5145% / 0.00514529
    Aggregated
    40.2 Icelandic
    24.6 Shetlandic
    17.8 French_Brittany
    6.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    5.4 Dutch
    2.6 Welsh_o
    1.6 Darginian
    0.4 Basque_Spanish
    0.4 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    0.4 Shor_Mountain

    Scottish with Shetlandic removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.5145% / 0.00514529
    Aggregated
    40.2 Icelandic
    24.6 Shetlandic
    17.8 French_Brittany
    6.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    5.4 Dutch
    2.6 Welsh_o
    1.6 Darginian
    0.4 Basque_Spanish
    0.4 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    0.4 Shor_Mountain

    Scottish with Icelandic removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.7421% / 0.00742097
    Aggregated
    38.6 French_Brittany
    31.2 Dutch
    26.0 Norwegian
    2.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    1.4 Darginian
    0.6 French_Rennes_Bretagne

    Stronger influence of Dutch like component evident on the Scots. Possibly a proxy for Anglo-Saxon admixture? I suppose I should see what happens when Brittany is removed but might do that after I've went through the British populations.

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    How do you get your own global 25 coordinates?

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    With full dataset.

    Target: English
    Distance: 0.4031% / 0.00403144
    Aggregated
    49.4 English_Cornwall
    17.8 Scottish
    11.8 Icelandic
    6.6 French_Paris
    6.6 Irish
    4.6 Swedish
    1.2 Basque_Spanish
    0.4 Armenian_Hemsheni
    0.4 French_Brittany
    0.4 Mari
    0.4 Welsh_o
    0.2 Georgian_Imer
    0.2 Orcadian

    With Cornwall removed

    Target: English
    Distance: 0.4738% / 0.00473807
    Aggregated
    46.0 Scottish
    21.2 Icelandic
    15.0 Welsh
    6.4 French_Paris
    4.8 French_Brittany
    2.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    2.0 Swiss_German
    1.6 Italian_Bergamo
    0.4 Italian_Lombardy

    With Scottish removed.

    Target: English
    Distance: 0.5122% / 0.00512151
    Aggregated
    28.0 Icelandic
    21.6 Welsh
    21.0 Irish
    5.8 Dutch
    5.8 Swiss_German
    5.4 Orcadian
    4.2 French_Paris
    3.2 French_Brittany
    3.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    2.0 Italian_Lombardy

    With Welsh removed.

    Target: English
    Distance: 0.5207% / 0.00520663
    Aggregated
    34.4 Icelandic
    28.4 Irish
    11.2 Swiss_German
    6.0 French_Paris
    5.8 Dutch
    5.4 French_Brittany
    4.2 Orcadian
    3.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    1.0 Italian_Lombardy

    With Irish removed.

    Target: English
    Distance: 0.5598% / 0.00559793
    Aggregated
    36.2 Icelandic
    22.0 Orcadian
    14.6 French_Paris
    13.6 French_Brittany
    3.6 Shetlandic
    3.0 Swiss_German
    2.6 Dutch
    2.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    1.0 Welsh_o
    0.4 Georgian_Imer
    0.4 Italian_Lombardy

    With Orcadian removed

    Target: English
    Distance: 0.5818% / 0.00581799
    Aggregated
    44.2 Icelandic
    20.2 French_Brittany
    10.6 French_Paris
    7.6 Dutch
    6.2 Shetlandic
    5.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    3.0 Welsh_o
    2.2 Swiss_German
    0.6 Georgian_Imer
    0.4 Italian_Lombardy

    With Shetlandic removed.

    Target: English
    Distance: 0.5877% / 0.00587729
    Aggregated
    44.8 Icelandic
    21.0 French_Brittany
    10.4 Dutch
    9.2 French_Paris
    4.4 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    3.6 Welsh_o
    3.2 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    2.2 Swiss_German
    0.6 Italian_Lombardy
    0.4 Georgian_Imer
    0.2 Darginian

    With Icelandic removed.

    Target: English
    Distance: 0.7291% / 0.00729139
    Aggregated
    33.6 Dutch
    30.2 French_Brittany
    22.8 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    5.6 Norwegian
    5.2 Swedish
    2.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco

    I think the Dutch might be a proxy for Anglo-Saxon, Frisian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asuvis View Post
    How do you get your own global 25 coordinates?
    You get them from David at Eurogenes. Only 12 USD and very much worth it.

    Email him at Eurogenesblog@gmail.com and you pay by paypal.

    He adds ancients all the time and when populations from studies are released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    It will be interesting to compare and contrast when these are all done.

    Scottish with full dataset.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.2360% / 0.00235986
    Aggregated
    29.6 Orcadian
    22.6 Irish
    17.8 English_Cornwall
    13.6 English
    7.2 Shetlandic
    4.2 Icelandic
    2.6 Dutch
    1.6 Norwegian
    0.4 Darginian
    0.2 Ket
    0.2 Shor_Mountain

    Scottish with Orcadian removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.2902% / 0.00290234
    Aggregated
    46.0 Irish
    21.0 English
    17.2 English_Cornwall
    6.2 Icelandic
    4.6 Shetlandic
    2.0 German_East
    0.8 Lithuanian_PZ
    0.6 Spanish_Canarias
    0.4 Dutch
    0.4 Welsh_o
    0.2 Ket
    0.2 Khanty
    0.2 Lithuanian_VZ
    0.2 Shor_Mountain

    Scottish with Irish removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.3911% / 0.00391065
    Aggregated
    31.4 English
    23.2 English_Cornwall
    20.6 Icelandic
    17.2 Shetlandic
    5.0 French_Brittany
    1.0 Darginian
    1.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    0.4 Shor_Mountain
    0.2 Karitiana

    Scottish with English removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.4205% / 0.00420540
    Aggregated
    41.2 English_Cornwall
    26.0 Icelandic
    15.4 Shetlandic
    7.6 Welsh
    6.6 French_Brittany
    1.4 Darginian
    1.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    0.2 Basque_Spanish
    0.2 Shor_Khakassia
    0.2 Shor_Mountain
    0.2 Zapotec

    Scottish with Cornwall removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.4930% / 0.00493026
    Aggregated
    34.0 Icelandic
    29.2 Welsh
    19.6 Shetlandic
    10.8 French_Brittany
    4.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    1.2 Darginian
    0.4 Shor_Mountain
    0.2 Papuan

    Scottish with Welsh removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.5145% / 0.00514529
    Aggregated
    40.2 Icelandic
    24.6 Shetlandic
    17.8 French_Brittany
    6.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    5.4 Dutch
    2.6 Welsh_o
    1.6 Darginian
    0.4 Basque_Spanish
    0.4 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    0.4 Shor_Mountain

    Scottish with Shetlandic removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.5145% / 0.00514529
    Aggregated
    40.2 Icelandic
    24.6 Shetlandic
    17.8 French_Brittany
    6.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    5.4 Dutch
    2.6 Welsh_o
    1.6 Darginian
    0.4 Basque_Spanish
    0.4 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    0.4 Shor_Mountain

    Scottish with Icelandic removed.

    Target: Scottish
    Distance: 0.7421% / 0.00742097
    Aggregated
    38.6 French_Brittany
    31.2 Dutch
    26.0 Norwegian
    2.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    1.4 Darginian
    0.6 French_Rennes_Bretagne

    Stronger influence of Dutch like component evident on the Scots. Possibly a proxy for Anglo-Saxon admixture? I suppose I should see what happens when Brittany is removed but might do that after I've went through the British populations.

    Interesting about the Dutch. My mother was from Aberdeen, and has a lot of ancestors from Banffshire and Morayshire. She often scores more Dutch than English .
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    MDLP K23B: Dutch + German-Volga + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.880189
    Eurogenes K13:Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
    Dodecad v3:CEU + CEU + German + Orkney @ 1.508807
    Harappaworld:n-european + n-european + orcadian + utahn-white @ 1.186455
    puntDNAL K12 modern:Czech + Dutch_South + English_South + English_South @ 1.900828

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    First post is with Irish.

    This is what Irish get with the full dataset.

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.4395% / 0.00439474
    Aggregated
    74.6 Scottish
    10.6 Shetlandic
    6.0 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    5.0 Icelandic
    3.4 French_Brittany
    0.4 Jatt_Pathak

    Removed Scottish

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.4880% / 0.00488013
    Aggregated
    34.6 Orcadian
    22.8 Shetlandic
    15.2 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    15.0 Icelandic
    10.2 English_Cornwall
    1.6 French_Brittany
    0.6 Darginian

    Removed Orcadian

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.6794% / 0.00679450
    Aggregated
    40.4 French_Brittany
    35.8 Norwegian
    12.4 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    6.6 Dutch
    3.0 Darginian
    1.0 Spanish_Asturias
    0.6 Shetlandic
    0.2 Igorot

    Removed Shetlandic

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.5549% / 0.00554939
    Aggregated
    40.8 English_Cornwall
    25.6 Icelandic
    11.6 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    10.0 Norwegian
    8.8 French_Brittany
    2.4 Darginian
    0.4 Tajik_Rushan
    0.2 Ju_hoan_North
    0.2 Kalash

    Removed English Cornwall

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.5794% / 0.00579380
    Aggregated
    30.4 English
    25.8 Icelandic
    17.8 French_Brittany
    12.8 Norwegian
    10.6 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    2.4 Darginian
    0.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ

    Removed English

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.5920% / 0.00591957
    Aggregated
    37.2 Icelandic
    19.8 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    17.2 French_Brittany
    16.0 Welsh
    7.6 Norwegian
    2.2 Darginian

    Removed Welsh

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.5945% / 0.00594488
    Aggregated
    40.6 Icelandic
    26.2 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    21.0 French_Brittany
    9.8 Norwegian
    2.4 Darginian

    Removed Icelandic

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 0.6841% / 0.00684147
    Aggregated
    41.6 French_Brittany
    35.4 Norwegian
    14.0 French_Rennes_Bretagne
    6.4 Dutch
    2.4 Darginian
    0.2 Kaitag

    Anyway process of elimination and the Irish appear to be most similar to French Bretons and Norwegians on the Continent. This is in line with the Irish DNA Atlas.

    Anyone can do this for the populations they are interested in. You just need Vahuaduo https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/ and the Global 25 spreadsheet for the modern pop averages scaled https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sME...Y-UH19KKm/view

    If no one else wants to I'll do for the British populations in the future.

    Honestly, IMHO the Irish full dataset example just looks like Scottish people with a slight pull towards Tudor era Scotland.

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    I get weird results with the full dataset. My single closest population is Dutch and I usually plot either with the Dutch, English or Irish/Scots depending on the calculator.

    Distance to: Kevin_scaled
    0.02865262 Dutch
    0.02966312 Norwegian
    0.03065194 Welsh
    0.03128912 Irish
    0.03153596 Scottish
    0.03173767 English
    0.03185616 French_Brittany
    0.03264251 Orcadian
    0.03424261 English_Cornwall
    0.03434002 Shetlandic
    0.03554655 Icelandic
    0.03738947 German
    0.03825792 Swedish
    0.03928185 Belgian
    0.04627489 French_East
    0.04744540 Austrian
    0.04858516 French
    0.04923277 Swiss_German


    Here is the weird part :

    Target: Kevin_scaled
    Distance: 2.3544% / 0.02354361

    75.6 Norwegian
    15.8 Spanish_Soria
    4.6 Welsh
    2.6 Lak
    0.8 Biaka
    0.6 Papuan

    My Norwegian is super inflated compared to the Irish who have Shetlantic,Icelandic and/or Orcadian as a proxy but then I have Spanish and Welsh instead of French like the Irish. As far as Biaka and Papuan they are under 1 so could be statistical noise but I can imagine papuan possibly from the British empire. I am American 75% British isles descent AFAIK.
    Last edited by JamesBond007; 11-20-2019 at 05:11 PM.

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    Here is what I get with Norwegian taking out : notice the large Welsh percentage which just goes to show my British isles ancestry that is why the full datasheet confounds me :

    Target: Kevin_scaled
    Distance: 2.5157% / 0.02515671
    49.4 Welsh
    19.6 Irish
    13.2 Dutch
    10.2 Spanish_Soria

    etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    I think the Dutch might be a proxy for Anglo-Saxon, Frisian.
    Or maybe it has something to do with the Dutch Bell Beakers.

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