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    "1692 (I): Migration of Serbs from Raška to the Banija and Kordun led by Metropolitan (Bishop) Atanasije Ljubojević. Other Ljubojevićis from Priboj settled Banija alongside Atanasije."

    This statement is also incorrect - Atanasije Ljubojević probably came with a few priests and that's it. The population of Banija and Kordun hails mostly from areas like Pounje and Potkozarje in nortwestern Bosnia (the settling was carried out in several waves during the course of 17th and 18th centuries), and by even further ancestry they are from areas like Unac and Glamoč Field in southwestern Bosnia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dna8 View Post
    What percentage of Serbians from Central Serbia do you guys imagine migrated there from the West/NW/SW Vs from the East/NE/SE?
    West and Southwest - almost entire population of western Serbia and western parts of central Serbia migrated from there.

    East and Southeast - almost entire population of eastern parts of central Serbia migrated from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate View Post
    West and South West - almost entire population of western Serbia and western parts of central Serbia migrated from there.

    East and South East - almost entire population of eastern parts of central Serbia migrated from there
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate View Post
    For example there is not a single mention of Serbs settled in central and some parts of western Serbia from today's municipalities of Sjenica, Novi Pazar, Raška and Bijelo Polje after Karadjordje's military expedition on Sjenica in 1809.
    Thanks for the feedback.

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    1809: After the Serbian army offense in the West, 10,000 Serbs moved from Bosnia to Serbia and 15,000 moved from the Novi Pazar region with Karadjordje’s army.

    I saw this in the book Migrations in Balkan History by Ivan Ninić. Its mentioned at the bottom of page 92.

    Here's a screenshot:



    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate View Post
    "1692 (I): Migration of Serbs from Raška to the Banija and Kordun led by Metropolitan (Bishop) Atanasije Ljubojević. Other Ljubojevićis from Priboj settled Banija alongside Atanasije."

    This statement is also incorrect - Atanasije Ljubojević probably came with a few priests and that's it. The population of Banija and Kordun hails mostly from areas like Pounje and Potkozarje in nortwestern Bosnia (the settling was carried out in several waves during the course of 17th and 18th centuries), and by even further ancestry they are from areas like Unac and Glamoč Field in southwestern Bosnia.
    I believe this information was given to me by Pribislav. Hope he comments on this part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vbnetkhio View Post
    Bosnian Krajina should be it's own region. other borders seem reasonable.
    I agree that would be better. But the problem is most of the times the sources just mentioned the vague term "Bosnia". I didn't know if they were referring to Bosnian Krajina, Bosnia proper, or some other region. So I applied the information to Bosnia in general on the map.

    At the moment, the information under Bosnia looks too overcrowded and it would better to divide Bosnia into 2-3 regions, but I don't know how to separate the migrations that apply specifically to Bosnian Krajina and those that apply to the rest of Bosnia since the vague term "Bosnia" is usually used.

    and there were migrations of Montenegrins into Kosovo
    I'd be glad to add those if you can give me specific dates and quotes regarding migrations of Montenegrins into Kosovo.

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    By the way, in some sources, the term "Old Serbia" and "Serbia" is used without any reference to specific regions. In these instances, I applied the event to all of Serbia (depending on Serbia's borders at the time). If you see the terms "Old Serbia" or "Serbia" used for any of the stuff written there, but it doesn't apply to certain regions of Serbia, then let me know about which regions it applies/doesn't apply to and I'll fix it.

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    Peroj in Istria was most western Serbian settlement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peroj

    Serbian Orthodox church of Saint Spyridon in Peroj https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Sp..._Church,_Peroj


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Peroj in Istria was most western Serbian settlement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peroj

    Serbian Orthodox church of Saint Spyridon in Peroj https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Sp..._Church,_Peroj
    I already added that. From my map:

    1657: After Peroj was devastated by a plague in 1644, Serbs from Montenegro were imported by the Venetian Republic to populate the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Thanks for the feedback.

    Are you referring to this quote?

    1809: After the Serbian army offense in the West, 10,000 Serbs moved from Bosnia to Serbia and 15,000 moved from the Novi Pazar region with Karadjordje’s army.

    I saw this in the book Migrations in Balkan History by Ivan Ninić. Its mentioned at the bottom of page 92.

    Here's a screenshot:

    Yes, that is what I meant. The mention of Novi Pazar, in a broader sense, also includes other municipalities i.e. places I listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    By the way, in some sources, the term "Old Serbia" and "Serbia" is used without any reference to specific regions. In these instances, I applied the event to all of Serbia (depending on Serbia's borders at the time). If you see the terms "Old Serbia" or "Serbia" used for any of the stuff written there, but it doesn't apply to certain regions of Serbia, then let me know about which regions it applies/doesn't apply to and I'll fix it.
    This term was used to mark territories originally encompassed by medieval Serbian state.

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