Who are Šokci and Bunjevci?

[Jana]

Okay, I won't answer to provocations anymore. Šokci apparently have lot of E-V13 according to mid-2000s studies on them.

[CommonSense]

They were standalone Slavic principalities which were sometimes under Croat, sometimes under Serb rule depending on the period.
Paganija was absorbed in Croatia already in 11th century for example.

Travunija and Zahumlje were mostly under Serbian rule and such was the case throughout the Nemanjić period, until the 14th century when that land became a part of the Bosnian state. What we know as Herzegovina today was defined when the ruler of those two region, the local lord Stjepan Vukčić Kosača, declared himself vojvoda (meaning herzog in German) of Saint Sava. I wonder how many ultranationalist Herzegovinian Croats know that their land was named after a Serbian saint

[Pribislav]

Travunija and Zahumlje were mostly under Serbian rule and such was the case throughout the Nemanjić period, until the 14th century when that land became a part of the Bosnian state. What we know as Herzegovina today was defined when the ruler of those two region, the local lord Stjepan Vukčić Kosača, declared himself vojvoda (meaning herzog in German) of Saint Sava. I wonder how many ultranationalist Herzegovinian Croats know that their land was named after a Serbian saint

[Jana]

Travunija and Zahumlje were mostly under Serbian rule and such was the case throughout the Nemanjić period, until the 14th century when that land became a part of the Bosnian state. What we know as Herzegovina today was defined when the ruler of those two region, the local lord Stjepan Vukčić Kosača, declared himself vojvoda (meaning herzog in German) of Saint Sava. I wonder how many ultranationalist Herzegovinian Croats know that their land was named after a Serbian saint

Cronica Salonitana mentions Zahumlje as part of Croatia. Are you aware of that?
And rule over some land does not mean much about origin of it's population.

[vbnetkhio]

In before somebody mentions Porfirogenet and unbaptised Serbs

Prince Michael of Zahumlje, according to DAI, has origin from Vistula river in southern Poland, which is exact location of White Croatia
So, it seems this ''Serb'' Land was ruled by Croat Prince since sure as hell White Serbs did not live anywhere near Vistula river.

Hahahaha. That is why serious historians don't consider DAI as reliable source. It's full of different and conflicting information. And it was written centuries after actual events.
Regarding Bunjevci, only important thing is that linguisitically and ethnically they have no difference whatsoever to west Herzegovina Croats.

actually, it is mentioned Zachumlians originate from Serbs, but the ruling Prince Michael's tribe originates from the tribe Litzki or Ditziki (not Croats) from Vistula. Vistula flows through all of Poland, not just southern.

Litziki were probably from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che%C5%82m_Land

Ziemia chełmska, which is very similar to the alternate name of Zachlumia, "Humska Zemla".

[Pribislav]

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About croatization of Šokci.

[Jana]

actually, it is mentioned Zachumlians originate from Serbs, but the ruling Prince Michael's tribe originates from the tribe Litzki or Ditziki (not Croats) from Vistula. Vistula flows through all of Poland, not just southern.

Litziki were probably from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che%C5%82m_Land

Ziemia chełmska, which is very similar to the alternate name of Zachlumia, "Humska Zemla".

It also mentions Serbia was almost completely depopulated after Bulgarians took Serbs into slavery and later settled from west when Serbs who fled to Croatia came back (probably very few people and brought foreign population?)

[pulstar]

Okay, I won't answer to provocations anymore. Šokci apparently have lot of E-V13 according to mid-2000s studies on them.

Good, because if you continue Pribislav will die from intracranial aneurysm

[vbnetkhio]

Cronica Salonitana mentions Zahumlje as part of Croatia. Are you aware of that?
And rule over some land does not mean much about origin of it's population.

could you post that text? in English or Croatian?

It also mentions Serbia was almost completely depopulated after Bulgarians took Serbs into slavery and later settled from west when Serbs who fled to Croatia came back (probably very few people and brought foreign population?)

yes it does. but not from the west, but from "Croatia, Bulgaria and other lands", and many more fled from Bulgaria to Contstantinopole, and from there to Serbia.

[Pribislav]

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Go on some Bulgarian thread.