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    The French admixture in Aostans is supposed to be entirely Provençal, so why are they more northern shifted than French Provençal themselves? The only explanation that i could come up with is Walser migrations in the 12th century having a generalized impact in Aosta Valley.

    [1] "distance%=1.3438"
    Italian_Aosta_Valley

    French_Provence,83.2
    German,16.8

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    Interesting, my father is 1/4 Aostan. Why Aostan appear more southern shifted than Provencals in PCA that I've seen ? Maybe bad samples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    Interesting, my father is 1/4 Aostan. Why Aostan appear more southern shifted than Provencals in PCA that I've seen ? Maybe bad samples?
    I've never seen any other Aostan sample besides those that were added to G25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    I've never seen any other Aostan sample besides those that were added to G25.
    I've seen some (like 5) in old studies but I doubt that they are representative...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    I've seen some (like 5) in old studies but I doubt that they are representative...
    Anyway, what is your opinion about this weird northern shift? Aostans seems to be basically Central Euros.

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    Distance to: Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.01581018 French_Provence
    0.01793196 Italian_Northeast
    0.01946763 Swiss_French
    0.02068104 French_Auvergne
    0.02167271 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.02215091 Swiss_German
    0.02341801 French_Alsace
    0.02380134 Italian_Veneto
    0.02382364 French_Occitanie
    0.02538728 Spanish_Mallorca
    0.02580515 French_Nord
    0.02666308 Spanish_Penedes
    0.02821902 Spanish_Girona
    0.02823975 French_Paris
    0.02941715 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.02975291 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.02990567 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.03047081 Spanish_Baleares
    0.03057746 Belgian
    0.03100437 Spanish_Barcelones
    0.03132454 Spanish_Eivissa
    0.03170843 Italian_Bergamo
    0.03188880 Spanish_Lleida
    0.03241980 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Anyway, what is your opinion about this weird northern shift? Aostans seems to be basically Central Euros.
    I haven't any idea about that, really. Aosta Valley seems to be quite isolated but these numbers would suggest a massive northern shift. I have to do some historical researchs.

    Here people assume that "Aostans" are like Savoy people, they are maybe more "East in the sense that they would drift towards more Austrian/C.Euro nations than France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    I haven't any idea about that, really. Aosta Valley seems to be quite isolated but these numbers would suggest a massive northern shift. I have to do some historical researchs.

    Here people assume that "Aostans" are like Savoy people, they are maybe more "East in the sense that they would drift towards more Austrian/C.Euro nations than France.
    Not trying to involve politics here, but South Tyrol and Aosta are clearly not part of Italy. They should be returned to their respective countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Not trying to involve politics here, but South Tyrol and Aosta are clearly not part of Italy. They should be returned to their respective countries.
    I think that Aosta is a french area yes. Definitely.

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