Orthodox vs. West: why Moslems so anti-Orthodox?

[Turxanthus]

The Moslem folks, as a result of the Afghan-Soviet war and the Yugoslav civil wars, still tend to have a more negative opinion of the Orthodox folks (Russians, Romanians, Serbs etc) compared to the Western Christians. The trend has shown some signs of change over the past decades with the US invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, yet we cannot say that the tide turned.

However, that is a bit of an oxymoron situation. Because the Orthodox folks are more tolerant of the Moslems (and any other people) compared with the Western treatment when it comes to the treatment of people being different.

Some historical examples will help explain this situation better:

- In 1492, when Granada fell and the last Moslem state in Iberia was destroyed, the Westerners (Ferdinand and Isabella) did not allow a single Moslem. They either killed or deported every single one of the Moslems. Jews were kicked out as well in the same tumultuous turmoil.
- Russians took Kazan in 1552, they reduced Moslem Tatars into second class citizen status yet they still allowed them to exist. And Tatars (a Mongolian people speaking a Turkic language) still exist in Kazan region.

Another example would be Balkans.
See in Serbia, despite so much anti-Serb hatred in the Moslem world, today up to 10% of Serbia and the equally Orthodox Montenegro is Moslem.
However when you look at Croatia, that is Western Christian and has historically not allowed any Moslem or Orthodox folk live under her rule, a pitiless assimilation took place.


Well there are some other examples too, such as Romania and Bulgaria too. No need to mention all.
What is striking is that the Moslem world today hates Orthodoxes all the while having no problem with the Westerners. That is interesting.
By the way, it doesn't imply that Moslems must have issues with Westerners who are quite normal today, here we put the emphasis on Orthodoxes having negative reputation not on the fact that Westerners have an overrated and positive image.

[unseen]

- Russians took Kazan in 1552, they reduced Moslem Tatars into second class citizen status

What is this statement based on?

[TheMaestro]

Bobby Martnen used this term moslem, we miss uncircumcised threads.

[Turxanthus]

What is this statement based on?

Moslems not being allowed to have their temples in downtown kremlin until the end of Soviet era.

[unseen]

Moslems not being allowed to have their temples in downtown kremlin until the end of Soviet era.

What is the connection between the two statements:

1) Moslem Tatars into second class citizen status
and
2) Moslems not being allowed to have their temples in downtown kremlin?

[Turxanthus]

What is the connection between the two statements:

1) Moslem Tatars into second class citizen status
and
2) Moslems not being allowed to have their temples in downtown kremlin?

They who follow a religion that is second class in a certain state at a given era can be referred to as second class citizens. It is like migrants populations in modern era.

[Hurrem sultana]

orthodox are not considered west,i mean serbian orthodox hate the west and see it as alien to them

[unseen]

They who follow a religion that is second class in a certain state at a given era can be referred to as second class citizens. It is like migrants populations in modern era.

No less true that they may not be referred second-class citizens. You do not give any objective unambiguous prerequisites for such a conclusion.

The fact that in a fortress where the military garrison of the city is located does not open a temple of another religion, in my opinion it’s right.

By the way, for what reason do you not say anything about the constant raids of the Tatars on Russian lands? Why do not you talk about how these "second class citizens" sold the captured inhabitants of these lands into slavery?

[Oghuz]

I am muslim, I do not care about christian sects. Why are people assuming BS. Sometime ago there was a thread by a supremacist member here that why Muslims are pro western Europe. Who is ? I have yet to meet a Muslim (and I meet lots from different ethnic backgrounds) who cares about European sects and regional rivalries. Its like claiming that why are Germans pro Persians but French are pro Jordanians while Serbians are pro Shiites lol

[Turxanthus]

The rivalry between Moslems and Orthodoxes might result from the fact that they share common borders.
That can be an argument. Since sharing common borders generate more problems than not having any shared borders.

No less true that they may not be referred second-class citizens. You do not give any objective unambiguous prerequisites for such a conclusion.

The fact that in a fortress where the military garrison of the city is located does not open a temple of another religion, in my opinion it’s right.

By the way, for what reason do you not say anything about the constant raids of the Tatars on Russian lands? Why do not you talk about how these "second class citizens" sold the captured inhabitants of these lands into slavery?

That is another discussion. Were Tatars second class citizens? Yes. Those "Bulgaro-Mongols" capturing Slavs and selling them out is another subject.

I am muslim, I do not care about christian sects. Why are people assuming BS. Sometime ago there was a thread by a supremacist member here that why Muslims are pro western Europe. Who is ? I have yet to meet a Muslim (and I meet lots from different ethnic backgrounds) who cares about European sects and regional rivalries. Its like claiming that why are Germans pro Persians but French are pro Jordanians while Serbians are pro Shiites lol

They do talk and care about sects among the Moslems. Russians are fan of Syrian Alawites for example, Brits control Wahabbis etc. They do talk a lot about it, it is you who seems to be disconnected.