How the Balkans went from Sardinian-like to West-Asian like?

[War Chef]

We all know the ancient Dacians/Thracians/Illyrians were very Sardinian-like comparable to modern Balkan people who have strong West-Asian Caucasus-like genes. So the problem is there is no documented migration of people from south-Caucasus to the Balkans. Maybe it came from Romans?

[Bornoz]

I did it.

[Kaspias]

Thracians were not Sardinian like, they were carrying high amounts of Steppe which also brings West Asian. This is probably the reason why Bulgarians has a lot of West Asian compared to the other Balkan nations. I don't think this case is similar in Illyrians.

It is really annoying that people call each ancient sample from Bulgaria as Thracian. There is no Thracian sample yet.

[TheOldNorth]

Turks

[Kaspias]

Turks

Ottoman Turks? No. Avars, Huns, Pecheneks, Cumans, Bulgars? Perhaps.

[TheMaestro]

West Asian? Probably your own people why you brag western balkans in one pit.

[TheOldNorth]

Ottoman Turks? No. Avars, Huns, Pecheneks, Cumans, Bulgars? Perhaps.

Both

[War Chef]

Thracians were not Sardinian like, they were carrying high amounts of Steppe which also brings West Asian. This is probably the reason why Bulgarians has a lot of West Asian compared to the other Balkan nations. I don't think this case is similar in Illyrians.

It is really annoying that people call each ancient sample from Bulgaria as Thracian. There is no Thracian sample yet.

The results of the analyses including additional ancient genomes provide mounting evidence that the Iceman's genetic affinity with Sardinians reflects an ancestry component that was widespread in Europe during the Neolithic. Despite their different geographic origins, both the Swedish farmer gok4 and the Thracian P192-1 closely resemble the Iceman in their relationship with Sardinians, making it unlikely that all three individuals were recent migrants from Sardinia. Furthermore, P192-1 is an Iron Age individual from well after the arrival of the first farmers in Southeastern Europe (more than 2,000 years after the Iceman and gok4), perhaps indicating genetic continuity with the early farmers in this region. The only non-HG individual not following this pattern is K8 from Bulgaria. Interestingly, this individual was excavated from an aristocratic inhumation burial containing rich grave goods, indicating a high social standing, as opposed to the other individual, who was found in a pit [15]. However, the DNA damage pattern of this individual does not appear to be typical of ancient samples (Table S4 in [15]), indicating a potentially higher level of modern DNA contamination. On the other hand, the Swedish and the Iberian hunter-gatherers show congruent patterns of relatedness to the modern populations of Northern Europe, which is consistent with the previous results using those samples.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2014/05...ge-thrace.html

most of these are probably Dacian (the ones who are close to Italian/Spanish in k13 and k15)
scy192 scythian Moldova CG7540766 - - - 2863-2503bce
scy197 scythian Moldova LH1646901 M E1b E-CTS1273 U5a1a1 2885-2632bce
scy300 scythian Moldova UM7604856 F Hb5 397-209BCE
scy301 scythian Moldova CG2611850 - - - 390-205bce
scy303 scythian Moldova FJ6435372 - - - 380-203bce
scy311 scythian Moldova RC9424705 F - t2b 389-204BCE

scy192 scythian Moldova CG7540766 k15

Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.840242
2 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.863138
3 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.908107
4 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.040099
5 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.054066
6 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.055067
7 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.067988
8 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.080188
9 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.082127
10 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.083286
11 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 5.089484
12 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.092433
13 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.096451
14 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.099330
15 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Aragon @ 5.117218
16 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.157411
17 Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Aragon + West_German @ 5.160912
18 Portuguese + Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English @ 5.175196
19 Irish + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.175495
20 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.187489[/QUOTE]

[TheOldNorth]

Don’t be so sensitive I half meant it as a joke

[Jana]

Thracians were not Sardinian like, they were carrying high amounts of Steppe which also brings West Asian. This is probably the reason why Bulgarians has a lot of West Asian compared to the other Balkan nations. I don't think this case is similar in Illyrians.

It is really annoying that people call each ancient sample from Bulgaria as Thracian. There is no Thracian sample yet.

Why wouldn't that Iron Age Bulgarian sample from central Bulgaria Thracian? Nobody lived in that region during that time but Thracians.