How the Balkans went from Sardinian-like to West-Asian like?

[vbnetkhio]

How can those supposed Dacian samples be explained then? Because their results are like they came straight from the cucuteni Tryppilian culture with no indo european admixture.


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they are Spanish-like, so they do have Indo-european admixture.

[Jana]

Can you also post Eurogenes K13, MDLP K23b and Eurogenes K36 if you have kit number?

Kit number of Iron Age Bulgarian: JD6924634

Eurogenes K13 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 31.11
2 East_Med 30.15
3 North_Atlantic 22.77
4 West_Asian 8.14
5 Baltic 4.36
6 Red_Sea 3.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 8.99
2 Tuscan 10.37
3 South_Italian 11.27
4 Italian_Abruzzo 12.35
5 East_Sicilian 12.66
6 Central_Greek 13.16
7 Italian_Jewish 13.93
8 Algerian_Jewish 14.11
9 North_Italian 14.54
10 Ashkenazi 15.08
11 Sephardic_Jewish 15.08
12 Greek_Thessaly 15.53
13 Tunisian_Jewish 19.04
14 Libyan_Jewish 19.47
15 Spanish_Andalucia 20.53
16 Spanish_Extremadura 20.9
17 Sardinian 21.53
18 Spanish_Murcia 21.8
19 Portuguese 21.84
20 Spanish_Valencia 21.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.3% West_Sicilian + 27.7% Sardinian @ 3.85
2 67.1% South_Italian + 32.9% Sardinian @ 4.54
3 64.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 35.2% Sardinian @ 4.7
4 59.6% Ashkenazi + 40.4% Sardinian @ 5.19
5 64.5% East_Sicilian + 35.5% Sardinian @ 5.34
6 59.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 40.3% Sardinian @ 5.5
7 62% Italian_Jewish + 38% Sardinian @ 5.55
8 63.6% Central_Greek + 36.4% Sardinian @ 5.68
9 73.3% Algerian_Jewish + 26.7% French_Basque @ 5.8
10 74.1% Italian_Jewish + 25.9% French_Basque @ 6.51
11 65.8% Algerian_Jewish + 34.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 6.51
12 60.9% Algerian_Jewish + 39.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.51
13 67.8% Algerian_Jewish + 32.2% Southwest_French @ 6.77
14 62.9% Algerian_Jewish + 37.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 6.91
15 64.2% Algerian_Jewish + 35.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.96
16 72.7% Tuscan + 27.3% Sardinian @ 6.98
17 61.6% Italian_Jewish + 38.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.99
18 66.5% Algerian_Jewish + 33.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 7.01
19 61.2% Cyprian + 38.8% French_Basque @ 7.08
20 68.4% Italian_Jewish + 31.6% Southwest_French @ 7.09


Eurogenes K36:

100694 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 2.82 Pct
Armenian 6.06 Pct
Basque 1.58 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 0.67 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.39 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 0.66 Pct
East_Med 16.73 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 4.38 Pct
Iberian 8.36 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 36.99 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 1.28 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.63 Pct
West_Med 13.45 Pct

Similarity map:

[Jana]

How do they not when they have the same admixtures as Sardinians and they were found all the way in Moldova? That’s high Neolithic genetics. Those aren’t scythians. All the other scythians I’ve seen get Ruski, Ukraine, Poland, Moldova for modern similarity. I should know because my closest ancient match is Scythian Ukraine.

They were most likely Dacians, and that is why they show similiarity to Illyrians. Not neolithic though.

[War Chef]

You are obviously completely clueless when you claim bronze age Croatians were close to Sardianians. Not at all. They were closer to Germans and Dutch than to Sardinians.

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 6.07
2 Portuguese 6.25
3 Spanish_Extremadura 6.73
4 Spanish_Cataluna 6.9
5 Spanish_Galicia 7.37
6 Spanish_Murcia 7.51
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.79
8 Spanish_Valencia 7.9
9 Spanish_Andalucia 8.18
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 8.76
11 French 9.14
12 Spanish_Cantabria 10.07
13 Spanish_Aragon 11.5
14 Southwest_French 11.53
15 Tuscan 11.71
16 West_German 14.36
17 South_Dutch 14.77
18 Romanian 16.27
19 Serbian 16.71
20 Bulgarian 17.78

You are grasping at straws, as always. While looking for a conflict to stroke your ego, you are only agreeing with my thread title, that Balkan genetics went from being South Western to pulling East in a very short time. & No, I3313 still has very strong affinities with Sardinia, as it pulls to the South-West fairly strongly.



I don't know much about it, but that it might belong to the Hallstat-Urnfield cultural sphere as far as I know, based on chronology and dating. I don't know much about it, because Balkans proper is my area of expertise, not pseudo-central European Slavonia/Croatia.

[Daos777]

They were most likely Dacians, and that is why they show similiarity to Illyrians. Not neolithic though.

Mostly Neolithic though. Like you.

[Jana]

Mostly Neolithic though. Like you.

No, since I am less than 50% neolithic.

[Jana]

You are grasping at straws, as always. While looking for a conflict to stroke your ego, you are only agreeing with my thread title, that Balkan genetics went from being South Western to pulling East in a very short time. & No, I3313 still has very strong affinities with Sardinia, as it pulls to the South-West fairly strongly.



I don't know much about it, but that it might belong to the Hallstat-Urnfield cultural sphere as far as I know, based on chronology and dating. I don't know much about it, because Balkans proper is my area of expertise, not pseudo-central European Slavonia/Croatia.

Southwestern like and Sardinian like is very different thing. And Irom Age Bulgaria was genetically southeastern, so your point doesn't stand.

I understand what you mean though. There is extra CHG/West Asian like ancestry in the Balkans that isn't from Indo-European source, it appears to be post Bronze Age.

I don't really know. Perhaps Byzantine admixture.

[War Chef]

I don't really know. Perhaps Byzantine admixture.

Ahhh yes I totally forgot. It was probably Byzantines, as most of them came form Anatolia and some the Levant.

I bet without this Byzantine admixture the east-Balkans would cluster with Croats, because you didn't really have any of it.