Origins of Karachay-Balkar

**Hajimurad** · 11-27-2019, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

It is normal to see their autosomal admixture as mostly native because the same thing applies to all Turkic types. I agree about Kipchak language.

What about Bulgar theory?

Bulgar-speaking tribes (onogurs, barsils, sabirs) were settled only in plain Daghestan, where they constituted khazar nation. Modern KB land was part of Alania. After massacre of Alans by Tamerlane, this area was settled by Svans and Abaza, who mixed with kipchak-speaking refugees from cities of Golden Horde.

**Hajimurad** · 11-27-2019, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Root

Karachays and Balkars are virtually one people like Chechens and Ingush, both people had been divided into the two ethnic groups by Tsarist imperialists a few centuries ago, "divide and conquer" policy you know.. btw, we have the same myths and tales https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nart_saga

KB Turkics aren't Vaynakhs. The only common thing between them is racial type (Mtebid).

**~~Root~~** · 11-27-2019, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Hajimurad

KB Turkics aren't Vaynakhs. The only common thing between them is racial type (Mtebid).

I mean some common shared folklore and mythology among the Iranic Ossetians, Turkic KB, and Abkhaz-Adygeans including Nakhs

**Sora** · 11-27-2019, 03:32 PM

I think they're Kipchaks who mixed with native Caucasian peoples. 'Cause they're genetically so close to their non-Turkic neighbours(such as Adyghe, Ossetian, Chechen etc.)

**~~War Chef~~** · 11-27-2019, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

I came up with the conclusion that there were a Bulgar-Turkic speaker community in the past, then Cumans retreated from Danube to there and linguistically assimilated these people.

Why all the way from the Danube? The Cuman realm stretched all the way into north-eastern Kazakhstan. I think the Cumans who settled in KB gorges/valleys could have just as easily came from the Volga river and surrounds.

My belief is most European Cumans/Pechenegs etc. emigrated to Anatolia, by incorporating into the Ottoman empire. That's why we don't see many East-Asian genes in Eastern Europe even though Cumans/Pechenegs were geopolitically dominant in the area for some time.