White Serb/Sorb gedmatch result!

[vbnetkhio]

Run him through the custom oracle, he seems to be very close to Czechs.

k13?

[Leto]

k13?

Yes. You and Lemgrant use that oracle.

[vbnetkhio]

Yes. You and Lemgrant use that oracle.

      [,1]                 [,2]     
 [1,] "South_Polish"       "6.9215" 
 [2,] "Hungarian"          "7.5297" 
 [3,] "Croatian"           "8.9855" 
 [4,] "Ukrainian_Lviv"     "9.2689" 
 [5,] "East_German"        "9.3028" 
 [6,] "Ukrainian"          "10.1319"
 [7,] "Austrian"           "10.2902"
 [8,] "Polish"             "10.682" 
 [9,] "Moldavian"          "12.1283"
[10,] "Southwest_Russian"  "13.0814"
[11,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "13.159" 
[12,] "Southwest_Finnish"  "13.4761"
[13,] "Russian_Smolensk"   "13.6436"
[14,] "Belorussian"        "14.2474"
[15,] "North_Swedish"      "14.4794"
[16,] "Estonian_Polish"    "14.63"  
[17,] "Serbian"            "15.8485"
[18,] "Finnish"            "16.3273"
[19,] "Estonian"           "17.0902"
[20,] "Kargopol_Russian"   "17.4701"
      [,1]                                                       [,2]    
 [1,] "59.1 %  Ukrainian_Belgorod  +  40.9 %  West_German"       "3.055" 
 [2,] "59.4 %  Southwest_Russian  +  40.6 %  West_German"        "3.571" 
 [3,] "39 %  South_Dutch  +  61 %  Ukrainian_Belgorod"           "3.5727"
 [4,] "56.8 %  Austrian  +  43.2 %  Ukrainian_Belgorod"          "3.7841"
 [5,] "56.8 %  Austrian  +  43.2 %  Southwest_Russian"           "4.0916"
 [6,] "38.6 %  South_Dutch  +  61.4 %  Southwest_Russian"        "4.1048"
 [7,] "35.3 %  Southeast_English  +  64.7 %  Ukrainian_Belgorod" "4.1758"
 [8,] "42.4 %  North_German  +  57.6 %  Ukrainian_Belgorod"      "4.1997"
 [9,] "27.3 %  Estonian  +  72.7 %  Hungarian"                   "4.2513"
[10,] "42.2 %  North_German  +  57.8 %  Southwest_Russian"       "4.2843"
[11,] "75.3 %  Hungarian  +  24.7 %  Lithuanian"                 "4.2925"
[12,] "31.2 %  Belorussian  +  68.8 %  Hungarian"                "4.3247"
[13,] "77.2 %  South_Polish  +  22.8 %  West_German"             "4.3283"
[14,] "28.1 %  Finnish  +  71.9 %  Hungarian"                    "4.3502"
[15,] "33.7 %  French  +  66.3 %  Ukrainian_Belgorod"            "4.4023"
[16,] "46.6 %  Hungarian  +  53.4 %  South_Polish"               "4.4158"
[17,] "23.9 %  North_German  +  76.1 %  South_Polish"            "4.4318"
[18,] "68 %  Hungarian  +  32 %  Russian_Smolensk"               "4.4557"
[19,] "36.2 %  Austrian  +  63.8 %  South_Polish"                "4.5186"
[20,] "61.7 %  Hungarian  +  38.3 %  Polish"                     "4.5261"
      [,1]                                            [,2]    
 [1,] "50% %  Hungarian  +  50% %  South_Polish"      "4.9032"
 [2,] "50% %  Austrian  +  50% %  Polish"             "5.5857"
 [3,] "50% %  Austrian  +  50% %  Ukrainian"          "5.6528"
 [4,] "50% %  East_German  +  50% %  Ukrainian_Lviv"  "5.9393"
 [5,] "50% %  Finnish  +  50% %  Serbian"             "6.2663"
 [6,] "50% %  Austrian  +  50% %  Ukrainian_Lviv"     "6.4147"
 [7,] "50% %  East_German  +  50% %  Ukrainian"       "6.6963"
 [8,] "50% %  Lithuanian  +  50% %  West_German"      "6.7355"
 [9,] "50% %  Erzya  +  50% %  South_Dutch"           "6.7653"
[10,] "50% %  Hungarian  +  50% %  Ukrainian_Lviv"    "6.8619"
[11,] "50% %  East_German  +  50% %  South_Polish"    "6.9071"
[12,] "50% %  Austrian  +  50% %  Ukrainian_Belgorod" "7.0892"
[13,] "50% %  East_German  +  50% %  Polish"          "7.178" 
[14,] "50% %  Austrian  +  50% %  Southwest_Russian"  "7.1822"
[15,] "50% %  Moldavian  +  50% %  Southwest_Finnish" "7.1854"
[16,] "50% %  Hungarian  +  50% %  Polish"            "7.2482"
[17,] "50% %  Danish  +  50% %  Erzya"                "7.2867"
[18,] "50% %  Austrian  +  50% %  South_Polish"       "7.3083"
[19,] "50% %  Croatian  +  50% %  East_German"        "7.3305"
[20,] "50% %  Estonian  +  50% %  Serbian"            "7.4207"
[1] "nMONTE 1"
[1] "distance%=1.699"

          

Belorussian,35.1
Ukrainian_Belgorod,21.1
Norwegian,19.8
North_Dutch,13.8
Lebanese_Druze,6.4
Abhkasian,3.3
Papuan,0.4
Lezgin,0.1

[1] "nMONTE 3"
[1] "distance%=3.2731"

          

South_Polish,38.4
Hungarian,28.2
Belorussian,4
Southwest_Russian,3.4
Ukrainian_Belgorod,3
North_Swedish,2.4
Norwegian,2.4
Swedish,2
Finnish,1.6
La_Brana-1,1.6
North_German,1.6
Danish,1.2
Irish,1.2
North_Dutch,1.2
West_Scottish,1.2
Lithuanian,1
Russian_Smolensk,1
Orcadian,0.6
Balkar,0.4
Chechen,0.4
Italian_Abruzzo,0.4
Adygei,0.2
Ashkenazi,0.2
Azeri,0.2
Central_Greek,0.2
Cyprian,0.2
Kurdish_Jewish,0.2
Lezgin,0.2
Nogay,0.2
North_Ossetian,0.2
Serbian,0.2
Southeast_English,0.2
Syrian,0.2
Tadjik,0.2
West_German,0.2

[Peterski]

that sample which you are talking about is from some very isolated village

Let's start with the fact that the Lower Sorb on G25 is from area located ca. 230 kilometers to the east / north-east of this guy:



This guy has all of ancestors from Jena-Gera-Zwickau areas based on GEDCOM, right?

[vbnetkhio]

Let's start with the fact that the Lower Sorb on G25 is from area located ca. 230 kilometers to the east / north-east of this guy:



This guy has all of ancestors from Jena-Gera-Zwickau areas based on GEDCOM, right?

he's 100% from Jena

[Peterski]

he's 100% from Jena

So 100% Thuringia actually. Really surprising that so much Slavic DNA is preserved so far to the west.

Edit:

Even if apart from Jena he is partially from Gera too, that is still 100% Thuringia. Gera is in Thuringia.

[vbnetkhio]

So 100% Thuringia actually. Really surprising that so much Slavic DNA is preserved so far to the west.

The Limes Sorabicus was further to the west, slightly west of Erfurt. that's probably where Slavic admixture radically drops in the rural population.

[vbnetkhio]

Let's start with the fact that the Lower Sorb on G25 is from area located ca. 230 kilometers to the east / north-east of this guy:

This guy has all of ancestors from Jena-Gera-Zwickau areas based on GEDCOM, right?

everybody in that area is just a mix of Slavs, Celts and Germans in various proportions. when it comes to admixtures, he is just like the G25 Sorb + more Celtic and Germanic admixture.

here's a k36 plot of Leipzig Germans, Lusatian Sorbs, and him(German_Jena):



notice how they all plot on the line roughly between Belarus to West Germany.

[Voyt]

If Sorbs were ancestors of Serbs, then wouldn't this dude cluster closer to Serbs, rather than clustering closer to Hungarians and Croats? I think this supports more the theory that Sorbs and Serbs branched off from a source population, most likely somewhere more eastern, rather than one being an offshoot of the other.

[Leto]

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No custom average for Czechs. Lemgrant's version does have it.