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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    It's much less violent in comparison with Latin America, and that is most important thing.
    But for how long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyzuh View Post
    What a load of BS.... YET depite criminals bad politicians drugs what ever your average citizen i mentioned aboved is not starving to death or has no where to shit or no clean water and electricity..
    I'm not bashing your country mate, but you can't deny the region has problems. What I'm saying is that it's well managed and Europeans did a good job of colonizing it, despite the issues of weather, the drugs, and the party lifestyle everyone has there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantid View Post
    I'm not bashing your country mate, but you can't deny the region has problems. What I'm saying is that it's well managed and Europeans did a good job of colonizing it, despite the issues of weather, the drugs, and the party lifestyle everyone has there.
    Latin America was brutally colonized, basically all cultures were destroyed by Spanish and Portuguese conquistadors, and people lived in form of a slave castes. Their recovery was recent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulstar View Post
    Latin America was not brutally colonized, basically all cultures were destroyed by Spanish and Portuguese conquistadors, and people lived in form of a slave castes. Their recovery was recent.
    Partially you are correct. But still better than let's say Moldova Ukraine and Romania.

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    Also Costa Rica and Colombia are very developed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyzuh View Post
    Countries such as Mexico Chile Dominican Republic Argentina Uruguay Chile Brazil Panama have higher GDP per capita and Human development than half of Europe?
    Some of these countries have small percent of very rich people, and huge percent of very poor people, while in Eastern Europe middle class is dominant.
    Eastern Europe have no slums etc. (except Roma setlements).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulstar View Post
    Latin America was not brutally colonized, basically all cultures were destroyed by Spanish and Portuguese conquistadors, and people lived in form of a slave castes. Their recovery was recent.
    This is wrong in many ways. There wasn't such thing as "Portuguese conquistadors" and indigenous people were slave owners themselves long before the first Portuguese settlement was established in 1516, as members of one tribe would enslave captured members of another. So it wasn't like the Portuguese introduced the concept of "slave castes" or slavery, neither did they wreck whatever "thriving" social balance there was before that could possible prevent a recovery.

    Edit: I also would like to add that Portugal abolished slavery earlier than most European powers and certainly centuries earlier than slavery\serfdom was abolished in Eastern Europe.
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    Poorest place I been other than Dominican was Cuba, so no definitely not but still I like it there heat is not a problem is actually ideal climate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vožd View Post
    Some of these countries have few percent of very rich people, and great percent of very poor people, while in Eastern Europe middle class is dominant.
    Eastern Europe have no slums etc. (expect Roma setlements).
    Eastern Europe has middle class? What is considered middle class in Romania etc is probably considered working class in latin america.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...s_by_GDP_(PPP)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyzuh View Post
    Partially you are correct. But still better than let's say Moldova Ukraine and Romania.
    I wanted to say "was brutally colonized". Here are parts of a first chapter from book Why Nations Fail on Spanish colonial system of Latin America:

    The Spanish strategy of colonization was highly effective. First perfected by Cortes in Mexico, it was based on observation that the best way for the Spanish to subdue opposition was to capture the indigenous leader. This strategy enabled the Spanish to claim the accumulated wealth of the leader and coerce the indigenous peoples to give tribute and food. The next step was setting themselves up as the new elite of the indigenous society and taking control of the existing methods of taxation, tribute, and, particularly, forced labor.


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    For conquest of New Granada (modern Columbia) Dominican priest Bartolomeo de las Casas wrote:

    To realize their long-term purpose of seizing all the available gold, the Spaniards employed their usual strategy of apportioning among themselves (or en-commending, as they have it) the towns and their inhabitants ... and then, as ever, treating them as common slaves. The man in overall command of expedition seized the King of the whole territory for himself and held him prisoner for six or seven months, quite illicitly demanding more and more gold and emeralds from him. This king, one Bogota, was so terrified that, in his anxiety to free himself from the clutches of his tormentors, he consented to the demands that he fill and entire house with gold and hand it over; to this end he send his people off in search of gold, and bit by bit they brought it along with many precious stones. But still the house was not filled and the Spaniards eventually declared that they would put him to death for breaking his promise. The commander suggested they should bring the case before him, as a representative of the law, and when they did so, entering formal accusations against the King, he sentenced him to torture should he persist in not honoring the bargain. They tortured him with the strappado, put burning tallow on him belly, pinned both his legs to poles with iron hoops and his neck with another and then, with two men holding his hands, proceeded to burn the soles of his feet. From time to time, the commander would look in an repeat that they would torture him to death slowly unless he produced more gold, and this is what they did, the King eventually succumbing to the agonies they inflicted on him.
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    To export the Latin American silver, the Spanish needed miners. They sent chief colonial viceroy Francisco de Toledo to Peru. In order to find the labor, de Toledo first moved entire indigenous population in new towns called reducciones, which would facilitate the labor exploitation for the Spanish Crown. Then he adapted Incan institution called mita. Under this system, Incas had used forced labor to run plantations designed to provide food for temples, the aristocracy, and the army. In return, the Inca elite provided famine relief and security. In de Toledo's system, mitas became largest and most onerous scheme of labor exploitation in Spanish colonial period. The mita system was abandoned in 1825.

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