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    Ottoman Empire of course. They were called "the sick man of Europe".

    Ya ya bla bla I know, Turks aren't European, but some of you should stick your head out of your ass for just a minute.

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    Spain had an empire and is on the list of great modern powers.



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...n_great_powers

    countries in this link by default can't be on the bottom.

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    Modern Russia, because a nation is only strong as their people, and Russia is not a close people nation but very divided ethnic groups rooted in 20th century propaganda nationalism that will start to fade very soon. Nothing is the same forever

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    Spain built its empire starting from 1500 and lost most of all its territories by early 1700 (Spanish succession war) without forget that it was never able to keep all territories at once (more or less like Britain).

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    Ireland was hit by great famine and half the population went to USA. Now they have one of biggest diaspora that is rich
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    Quote Originally Posted by AAJUPP View Post
    after the Armada was defeated they were slways a irrelevant power with a basically north african population
    The Armada was never defeated, unless you think that the Titanic was also defeated.

    And Spain ruled the world for 300 years. The most powerful country IN THE WORLD for the last 500 years have been Spain. With a World Empire. The USA have just been a world superpower for 60 years and the rest of the countries were regional medium powers for 50-60 years like England, France or Germany. And don´t get mistaken, the English, French, or Germans did never have a true Empire. The English only were a commercial superpower (commonwealth), nothing to do with an Empire.

    Spain colonized all of America, built cities, schools, universities, hospitals, left 40 World Heritage sites in America, we carried laws, customs, civilization, we baptized hundred of millions, gave them names and surnames, gave them rights, gave them a religion and unified their old tribes under a same rule (if not they will still be eating each others or doing human sacrifices).

    We even owned California or Florida in 1820. We owned 70% of the territory of what the USA is now, we even reached to Alaska or Canada or Australia. We named Oceans, dominated Europe (Tercios), destroyed the muslims several times, and many more. We gave birth to international law, maritime law, Human Rights, we iniciated world commerce, and I could write hundreds lines more.

    What did the English left in India, Pakistan? What did the Germans left in Tanzania? The French in Guyana or Argelia? Nothing. They were economic depredatories ONLY. A native american in Nueva España was a Spaniard, the same than someone from Madrid in Spain. They had the same rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Ireland was hit by great famine and half the population went to USA. Now they have one of biggest diaspora that is rich
    We saved Ireland from faemine since we brought potatoes from America. If it was not from potatoes that we brought to Europe (Spain) millions of irish more would have died.

    And also we brought many other products to Europe that are now national foods: chocolate, tomato, potato, and thousands other products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gota_type_ View Post
    We saved Ireland from faemine since we brought potatoes from America. If it was not from potatoes that we brought to Europe (Spain) millions of irish more would have died.

    And also we brought many other products to Europe that are now national foods: chocolate, tomato, potato, and thousands other products.
    Ireland had a famine because the potato crop failed. This happened when they were part of the UK. So millions of Irish did die and many immigrated.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    Ireland had a famine because the potato crop failed. This happened when they were part of the UK. So millions of Irish did die and many immigrated.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

    Yeah but if it was not for the potato we brought from America, many Irish would have died in the previous centuries (most probably). Potatoes saved many Europeans from starving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gota_type_ View Post
    Yeah but if it was not for the potato we brought from America, many Irish would have died in the previous centuries (most probably). Potatoes saved many Europeans from starving.
    What I find interesting especially in the context of Spain and France is how many Irishmen served in the armies of both these countries. The largest amount went to France but Spain was very accommodating of these Irishmen. Most of these men served in Flanders in the French and Spanish armies. I think this is a very interesting part of history that a lot of people aren't particularly aware of.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Wild_Geese

    https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/h...ish-wild-geese

    I would really like to know more of this period. One of the Presidents of France Patrice De MacMahon was a descendant of a Wild Geese family and the head of the Clanaboy O'Neill dynasty is now a Portuguese Hugo Ricciardi O'Neill.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ricciardi_O%27Neill

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