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    These are the people that donated most to the Irish Famine relief.




    The British government has been widely and justly criticised for its callous attitude towards famine victims, which led to thousands of unnecessary deaths. However, the indifference of government ministers is in sharp contrast to the generosity of the ordinary people of Britain who supported numerous famine appeals, particularly in the first few years. The Quakers were especially active, raising hundreds of thousands of euros in today’s money for famine relief. Irish soldiers serving with the British army in Calcutta, and employees of the East India Company, many of them Irish, raised more than Ł14,000, which would be worth more than a million euros today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    What I find interesting especially in the context of Spain and France is how many Irishmen served in the armies of both these countries. The largest amount went to France but Spain was very accommodating of these Irishmen. Most of these men served in Flanders in the French and Spanish armies. I think this is a very interesting part of history that a lot of people aren't particularly aware of.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Wild_Geese

    https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/h...ish-wild-geese

    I would really like to know more of this period. One of the Presidents of France Patrice De MacMahon was a descendant of a Wild Geese family and the head of the Clanaboy O'Neill dynasty is now a Portuguese Hugo Ricciardi O'Neill.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ricciardi_O%27Neill
    The Irish were also famous in Andalucía (mainly in Cadiz or Sevilla) during the XIX century because many of them came to fight against the English and French. There are "many" people with the Oneill, Osborne, and similar surnames.

    And when Spanish Armada was sunk due to severe bad weather, some ships arrived in the coast of Ireland, which was dominated by English soldiers. The irish peasants tried to help the Spanish survivors meanwhile the English tried to kill (and killed) most of the survivors. There is an incredible History of a Spanish survivor that was living in Ireland during months after surviving the Armada. And he narrates many histories that happened to him during those months in Ireland. His name is https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_de_Cu%C3%A9llar and you can read his stories in internet. Search about him in English. http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T108200/index.html

    And I also think that a main Irish Politician (Varela), was 50% Spanish.

    By the way, I get a disproporcionate amount of Gaelic (not sure if Irish or Scottish) matches on gedmatch. The typical O´ or Mc or Mac. The number is disproporcionated in relation with other nations, and I am fully Spaniard with zero foreigners for many centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    What I find interesting especially in the context of Spain and France is how many Irishmen served in the armies of both these countries. The largest amount went to France but Spain was very accommodating of these Irishmen. Most of these men served in Flanders in the French and Spanish armies. I think this is a very interesting part of history that a lot of people aren't particularly aware of.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Wild_Geese

    https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/h...ish-wild-geese

    I would really like to know more of this period. One of the Presidents of France Patrice De MacMahon was a descendant of a Wild Geese family and the head of the Clanaboy O'Neill dynasty is now a Portuguese Hugo Ricciardi O'Neill.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ricciardi_O%27Neill
    https://www.britannica.com/biography...comte-de-Lally

    Gen Lally of French east india who lost Gen Eyre Coote was also Irish of Jacobite origin. Eyre Coote was also of Irish origin from Limerick https://www.westminster-abbey.org/ab...ons/eyre-coote
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gota_type_ View Post
    The Irish were also famous in Andalucía (mainly in Cadiz or Sevilla) during the XIX century because many of them came to fight against the English and French. There are "many" people with the Oneill, Osborne, and similar surnames.

    And when Spanish Armada was sunk due to severe bad weather, some ships arrived in the coast of Ireland, which was dominated by English soldiers. The irish peasants tried to help the Spanish survivors meanwhile the English tried to kill (and killed) most of the survivors. There is an incredible History of a Spanish survivor that was living in Ireland during months after surviving the Armada. And he narrates many histories that happened to him during those months in Ireland. His name is https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_de_Cu%C3%A9llar and you can read his stories in internet. Search about him in English. http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T108200/index.html

    And I also think that a main Irish Politician (Varela), was 50% Spanish.

    By the way, I get a disproporcionate amount of Gaelic (not sure if Irish or Scottish) matches on gedmatch. The typical O´ or Mc or Mac. The number is disproporcionated in relation with other nations, and I am fully Spaniard with zero foreigners for many centuries.
    You're thinking of Eamon De Valera who was the 3rd President of Ireland and a very important Irish historical figure. He was born in New York to an Irish mother and Spanish father but his father died when he was a baby so he was sent back to Ireland by his mother to be raised by her family. She stayed in the US.



    He was lucky he was not executed by the British.

    De Valera was among the few republican leaders the British did not execute.[22] It has been argued that his life was saved by four facts. First, he was one of the last to surrender and he was held in a different prison from other leaders, thus his execution was delayed by practicalities. Second, the US Consulate in Dublin made representations before his trial (i.e., was he actually a United States citizen and if so, how would the United States react to the execution of one of its citizens?) while the full legal situation was clarified. The UK was trying to bring the US into the war in Europe at the time, and the Irish American vote was important in US politics, though this did not prevent the execution of Tom Clarke who had been a naturalised American citizen since 1905.[22][23][24] Third, when Lt-Gen Sir John Maxwell reviewed his case he said, "Who is he? I haven't heard of him before. I wonder would he be likely to make trouble in the future?" On being told that de Valera was unimportant, he commuted the court-martial's death sentence to life imprisonment.[25] De Valera had no Fenian family or personal background and his MI5 file in 1916 was very slim, detailing only his open membership in the Irish Volunteers.[26] Fourth, by the time de Valera was court-martialled on 8 May, political pressure was being brought to bear on Maxwell to halt the executions; Maxwell had already told British Prime Minister H. H. Asquith that only two more were to be executed, Seán Mac Diarmada and James Connolly, although they were court-martialled the day after de Valera. His late trial, representations made by the American Consulate, his lack of Fenian background and political pressure all combined to save his life, though had he been tried a week earlier he would probably have been shot.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89amon_de_Valera

    He was played by Alan Rickman in the film Michael Collins.

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