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    I've just watched this and I found it very good. I agree with everything he's said in this. It is interesting what he said about the Druids as well because they just appear to be a thing in Ireland, Britain and Gaul so not pan-Celtic. They could just have a British Isles origin and the Gauls adopted the practice. It will be interesting to see what further dna studies say. What I'm waiting for is to see what the Gauls were like genetically and also what Irish were like pre-Viking and Norman invasions. Studies should be able to detect a shift if there was some incursions from Hallstatt type people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    I've just watched this and I found it very good. I agree with everything he's said in this. It is interesting what he said about the Druids as well because they just appear to be a thing in Ireland, Britain and Gaul so not pan-Celtic. They could just have a British Isles origin and the Gauls adopted the practice. It will be interesting to see what further dna studies say. What I'm waiting for is to see what the Gauls were like genetically and also what Irish were like pre-Viking and Norman invasions. Studies should be able to detect a shift if there was some incursions from Hallstatt type people.
    I thought the Druids equated to Stonehenge which in turns equates to builders from Neolithic Britain before Indo-European invasions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    I thought the Druids equated to Stonehenge which in turns equates to builders from Neolithic Britain before Indo-European invasions
    I doubt it as very few Neolithic populations survived. It quite possibly is a pre-Celtic practice that survived but not Neolithic.

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    I just want to know why MyTrueAncestry made the Celts look all scrawny and the Vikings look tough. Am I right Grace?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Daco Celtic View Post
    I just want to know why MyTrueAncestry made the Celts look all scrawny and the Vikings look tough. Am I right Grace?



    They're a shower of auld langers boi. D'ya know like? It's enough to make you blow your cork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Celts split off from Tocharians and East Scythians

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-5330366.html

    Solid as a warrior of the Caledonii tribe, the man's hair is reddish brown flecked with grey, framing high cheekbones, a long nose, full lips and a ginger beard. When he lived three thousand years ago, he stood six feet tall, and was buried wearing a red twill tunic and tartan leggings. He looks like a Bronze Age European. In fact, he's every inch a Celt. Even his DNA says so.

    At their peak, around 300BC, the influence of the Celts stretched from Ireland in the west to the south of Spain and across to Italy's Po Valley, and probably extended to parts of Poland and Ukraine and the central plain of Turkey in the east. These mummies seem to suggest, however, that the Celts penetrated well into central Asia, nearly making it as far as Tibet.

    The eastern Celts spoke a now-dead language called Tocharian, which is related to Celtic languages and part of the Indo-European group. They seem to have been a peaceful folk, as there are few weapons among the Cherchen find and there is little evidence of a caste system.

    Even older than the Cherchen find is that of the 4,000-year-old Loulan Beauty, who has long flowing fair hair and is one of a number of mummies discovered near the town of Loulan. One of these mummies was an eight-year-old child wrapped in a piece of patterned wool cloth, closed with bone pegs.

    The Loulan Beauty's features are Nordic. She was 45 when she died, and was buried with a basket of food for the next life, including domesticated wheat, combs and a feather.

    The Taklamakan desert has given up hundreds of desiccated corpses in the past 25 years, and archaeologists say the discoveries in the Tarim Basin are some of the most significant finds in the past quarter of a century.

    "From around 1800BC, the earliest mummies in the Tarim Basin were exclusively Caucausoid, or Europoid," says Professor Victor Mair of Pennsylvania University, who has been captivated by the mummies since he spotted them partially obscured in a back room in the old museum in 1988. "He looked like my brother Dave sleeping there, and that's what really got me. Lying there with his eyes closed," Professor Mair said.

    It's a subject that exercises him and he has gone to extraordinary lengths, dodging difficult political issues, to gain further knowledge of these remarkable people.

    East Asian migrants arrived in the eastern portions of the Tarim Basin about 3,000 years ago, Professor Mair says, while the Uighur peoples arrived after the collapse of the Orkon Uighur Kingdom, based in modern-day Mongolia, around the year 842.
    false, the tocharians were indo-europeans but not celts, latin and german are closer to gaelic then tocharian

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOldNorth View Post
    false, the tocharians were indo-europeans but not celts, latin and german are closer to gaelic then tocharian
    Are you sure? I'd have to read up a bit but Tocharian is a Centum language like Celtic and if you look at this diagram it is on the same large branch Celto-Italic-Tocharian. It looks like Tocharian went eastwards whereas Proto-Celtic and Italic went westwards.



    However, if some of the forms are archaic elements of Proto-Indo-European that were lost in other branches, neither model of post-PIE relationship need be postulated. Italic and especially Celtic also share some distinctive features with the Hittite language (an Anatolian language) and the Tocharian languages,[11] and these features are certainly archaisms.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo-Celtic

    I only know basic information about linguistics. Of course Latin and German are closer but Italic-Celtic is older than these languages as is Tocharian. I don't agree calling all these ancient cultures Celts as they weren't. Celts came about much later in Central Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    Are you sure? I'd have to read up a bit but Tocharian is a Centum language like Celtic and if you look at this diagram it is on the same large branch Celto-Italic-Tocharian. It looks like Tocharian went eastwards whereas Proto-Celtic and Italic went westwards.





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo-Celtic

    I only know basic information about linguistics. Of course Latin and German are closer but Italic-Celtic is older than these languages as is Tocharian. I don't agree calling all these ancient cultures Celts as they weren't. Celts came about much later in Central Europe.
    so-called Celtic and Italic were probably indistinguishable in the Bronze Age. Approximately 40% of Germanic has loanwords from indigenous Nordic people but still keeping it in the Centum spectrum, Balto-Slavic has obvious influences from Iranic tribes, Sarmatians etc ( words such as Bog for God and Mir for peace) making it "Satem"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Did they really have tattoos like Scythians or was it war paint
    Surprisingly those Tarim mummies had tartan patterned clothes too.

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