Were the Byzantines Actually Romans?

[PAGANE]

Byzantines = population of Greek, Slavic and Anatolian peoples

[Faklon]

Eastern Romans were practising ancient Roman Law.

Here's Colossus of Barletta that was stolen from Constantinople in the Fourth Crusade by the Venetians.



Dressed in Roman weaponry, robust, fit and alpha and holding the Christian cross. The deprived Rennaisance will depict him as some lusty, gluttonous oriental specimen with pointy shoes running a harem. Things that would get you killed in the quite stoistic Eastern Roman ecumene.

The emperor is the Pope, Augustus and the messiah of Eastern Orthodoxy and should return to redefine modern Greece-Balkans(mostly a mix of culturally Ottomanids and Western cucks).



You will come like lightning
The country will have a feast
The sea, the earth and the sky
In your light
I will wear white clothes
To touch you again
You light and, my heart, me
How much I love you

Basileus Basileōn, Basileuōn Basileuontōn,
Mercy, mercy, God, of Heaven
Constantine Dragases Palaiologos
By the grace of God Emperor of Romans
In the Gate of Saint Romanus
Astride on his whitelegged mare
Four Betas, mercy, mercy, Marmaras
Bosphorus and Black Tuesday
Shiver, sun, groan, earth
The City has fallen, the City has fallen
The Queen of Cities, golden gate
And Porphyrogenitus in the Red Apple-tree
The city was the sabre, the city spear
The city was the key of the entire Roman Empire
Fall silent, Mother of God and don't cry much
Again with years and times will be Yours

In the Gate of Saint Romanus
You went away to another place
And an angel will bring you here
In right time
Inside the Hagia Sophia
We will find each other again on future liturgy
Greeks together


Basileus Basileōn, Basileuōn Basileuontōn

AMEN

[Faklon]

Ethnics are a modern creation, irrelevant to the era of the Roman Empire, that are usually based upon cultural identities of the past. Hellenism itself is an arbirtary concept but at least it can be approximated by common language, religion and race as it was suggested by Herodotus. Other ethnics (most notable being Turks) are based solely upon Empires of the past.

[Faklon]

blah blah blah

They are cultural identities, Herodotus may have recognised the common traits among different Greek city-states but these people are still dependable on their individual states, they would turn against each other like they would likely turn against a Scythian state. When Herodotus spoke about common blood showcasing the unity of Greek city-states against the Persians, many city-states that by modern definition would fit in the Hellenic ethnos were fighting for the Persians. Philip II of Macedon didn't enter Athens as an ethnic mpatzanaki doing praksikopima but as a conqueror from a different state, that cultural ties may enable people to co-work doesn't mean that they would identify with each other to call them an ethnos, this is a modern notion. In Greece, we tend to idolize our history like we were always one single state, we were united in a single state under Alexander the Great, the Roman Republic and the Roman/East-Roman Empire and even in the modern era we would define ourselves as Romans, you like my grandmother even use a more localised identity like Sarakatsani(where from malaka plakim?) to separate yourself from kampites, there is a trap here since estrogenic neo-Greeks believe that if they don't deny their glorious Roman identity people wouldn't accept them as the founders of democracy. Well for me, the Eastern Roman Empire is far more noteworthy than the ancient city-states but the Ancient Greeks were never forgotten by East-Roman intellectuals.

Laonikos Chalkokondyles, 15th century



Or even the peasants of Galaxidi http://users.uoa.gr/~nektar/history/...ala3eidioy.htm

"The Castle was built in the times of the Hellenes"
"Salona was glorious from the times of Hellenes"

They were just unimportant by their time and age aka before the modern notion of ethnos.

[Thanas Django]

Taking the signifiers "Roman" and "Greek" and placing them in contradiction is simply a rhetoric misconstruction of history.

[catgeorge]

We didnt call ourselves Roman nor Greek we called ourselves by region until the Modern Greek state unified Greeks into a singular term.

[Bosniensis]

Byzantines are Romans with less Celtic and Atlantic input than those in Ancient Times, but culturally, linguistically, biologically were absolutely Romans.

Byzantines are in fact How Romans (as a people) looked before they started dealing with Gauls, Celts etc..

[lonewolfcypriot]

Byzantines are Romans with less Celtic and Atlantic input than those in Ancient Times, but culturally, linguistically, biologically were absolutely Romans.

Byzantines are in fact How Romans (as a people) looked before they started dealing with Gauls, Celts etc..

yay your back!

[lonewolfcypriot]

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[Crn Volk]

Byzantines are Romans with less Celtic and Atlantic input than those in Ancient Times, but culturally, linguistically, biologically were absolutely Romans.

Byzantines are in fact How Romans (as a people) looked before they started dealing with Gauls, Celts etc..

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