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    The Russian/Soviet Koreans (Koryo-saram) are of North Korean origin, although at the time of their migration to Russia there was no North Korean state as we know it today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AraKaya View Post
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    You are a very nice man )
    Sora is a woman AFAIK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Sora is a woman AFAIK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shubotai View Post
    Haplogroups that exist today in Korean population include O-M176, O-M122, C-M217, D-M174, N-M231, O-M119, Q-M242, P-P295, C-RPS4Y etc. On the mtdna side D4, B, A, Y, N9b, F, G, N9, D5, M7, M8, M9, M10, M11, R11, C, Z etc.

    O-L682 and C-CTS2657 are mostly unique among the Korean ethnic group, but they are also found in China and Japan and siberian ethnic groups, whereas the rest could be from historical immigration but also from native extraction.

    O-L682 is the main Korean haplogroup, belonging to O-M176, with a frequency greater than 20% in all Korea and lesser frequency in neighbouring north-east China, western Japan and Tungusic peoples like Nanai. It could be therefore connected to the dispersal of Korean languages. Alternatively, it could be connected with the Japonic substratum particularly in south Korea, uncovered by linguists.

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    C-CTS2657 is also most prominent among Koreans in Korea and from Koreans from north-east China, belonging to C-F1067, with a frequency 7-15%. Its subclade C-M407 is frequent as well among various mongolic groups like Buryats and kazakh groups like Qongyrat, whose names are reminiscent of old Korean names like Buyeo and Koguryeo. It is also found about 10% in Kalmyks. Therefore, it is also quite likely that CTS2657 is connected with the dispersal of Korean languages.

    Distribution of east asian lineages

    Quite possible, C-M407 was also the y-dna haplogroup of the Yuan dynasty, since some tested descendants belong to this sucbclade. Yuan dynasty was established by Kublai khan, grandson of Chingis Khan so it possible that he also belonged to that subclade.

    O-M176 is found with an overall frequency of ~24%, additionally including O-CTS10687, which is found in south-central Korea, but even in western China and Afghanistan and one case is that it could be related to Gaya language. Also O-CTS713/47z, which is more common in Japanese, O-F940 which is common among Manchus and an ancestral type O-R144 which has survived in south-west Korea and Jeju island.

    C-F1067 is found with an overall frequency of 19-27%, additionally including C-F845, with a moderate frequency in Korea but more frequent in south-east China, north Vietnam and generally Indochina. Also C-F3880, which is more common among Han Chinese.

    O-M122 is found with an overall frequency of ~40% in Koreans, coming from historical Chinese and other Sino-Tibetan immigration, but also being of native extraction. Specifically, all Sino-Tibetan subclades should be under O-M117, while the rest should be of different origin.

    D-M174 is found with a frequency 1-3%. There are two types in Korea, D-M15 which is of native extraction and also found with a moderate frequency in China and Indochina and D-M64.1/M55, which is more commong in Japan and connected with the Ainu languages, but some of it could be also from native extraction.

    Q-M120 is found with a moderate frequency of ~2% especially in North Korea. Q-M120 belongs to Q-NWT01 and it is probably connected to an Eskimo-Aleutic language substratum.

    N-M231 is found with a frequency of ~4% and should be of native extraction and it should be connected to Uralic languages.

    C-M105 is found with a frequency of ~2% and it is more common in Japanese. Actually, the branching point is after C-P121. Its subclade CTS9336 is found in Korea and Japan, whereas Z45460 was found in Liaoning, China. CTS9336 further breaks into CTS6678, found in South Korean, Japan and Z1356 found only in Japan.

    O-M119 is found with a frequency of 2% and is more common in east China and Austronesian peoples.

    C-F1756, C-M48 and C-M504 are found with a very low frequency in north-west North Korea, therefore a substantial Xianbei, Manchu or Mongol presence cannot be justified.

    Roughly, the array of east Asian C, O, D haplogroups and paleo-siberian Q, N, R define Korean population as well. C-F1067 is the main type of C among East Asians in general rather than the altaic C-L1373. O-M176 is the main type of O among Manchu, Koreans, Japanese and Siberian groups of north-east China and Russia, while O-M122 generally among mainland East Asians. D-M15 is the main type of D among East Asians, Tibetans, Chinese, Koreans, Indochina, Qiang, Hmong. D-M55/M64.1 is more common in Japanese archipelago and Siberian, Altaic groups. D-P47 is the more common type in Tibetans.

    Immunoglobulin markers include ag, axg, ab3st, afb1b3, also denoting a northern rather than southern origin for the Korean population. ab3st is found 14% in south Korea and 18% in Koreans in north-east China, equaling 14% and 18% of C-F1067 respectively in these areas. afb1b3 is also found with 14% in Korea and should have come with O haplogroups. ag is found with 50% and axg is found with 20% and they are of older extraction.

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    O2b is not found in Indonesia
    It is an error sample.

    The Indonesian O2b was made by Korean professor Kim Ok
    It is data written 10 years ago.
    Indonesia O2b still doesn't know its subgroup.
    That's a 100% error sample. It should be O2a.

    https://blog.naver.com/rlarladudtnr/221740903660
    According to this paper, O2b and D1b is not found in Southeast Asia.

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    The oldest O2b- (R220.R144.O1b2a-CTS3505) type is found in Manchuria Jilin and Jeju Island.

    That is the first
    It's starting point
    O2b is related to the Ice Age

    That is why O2b cannot originate in China or Southeast Asia.

    So even if O2b is found in China or Southeast Asia,
    it's the people who migrated in history times.

    So the O2b found in China or Southeast Asia has no meaning,

    even it's not very old in origin

    All subgroups originated in Korea / Japan / Manchuria. (R220.R144.CTS3505.L682.F940.47z.CTS10687)

    So the O2b subgroups found in China are people from Korea or Manchuria or Japan.(So ​​they are migrants in the period of history)


    The theory that Yayoi-O2b is from the Yangtze River is wrong

    (Y chromosomes of prehistoric people along the Yangtze River)
    https://blog.naver.com/rlarladudtnr/221731597093

    In ancient Yangtze Civilization, most of the O1a were found in ancient bones. Some are O3 and O2a. O2b is not found in the ancient Yangtze Ancient Bones.

    Why do you always think Yayoi is O2b?
    Yayoi can be included as O3.C2.N.

    Rice Japonica Rice was passed from ancient Korea to Japan.
    Of course, the origin of Japonica rice is in Yuannan, China.

    So O2b's quantum steel theory is wrong. Is O2b Always Being Used As Politics ??

    Even the oldest O2b eigentypes (R220.R144.O1b2a-CTS3505) were found in Manchuria Jilin and Jeju Island,

    so the starting point is Manchuria Jilin or Jeju Island.

    Yayoi is a diverse ethnic union
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    O2b-M176 (O1b2) Test distribution map in China
    https://blog.naver.com/rlarladudtnr/221744280075

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    Adding some common types of NO in Koreans.

    Common type of O3 in Koreans is O-SK1702, under O-M7 typical otherwise for Hmong-Mien populations.

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    Common type of N1 in Koreans is N-M128, under N-TAT typical for Uralic populations.

    GContour maps of Hg N sub-haplogroups

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    Yes, most Korean N belong to N-M128, but
    However, there are regions where only the N1a1a type is found high.
    It is found only in Jeju Island, Geoje Island, and Gangwon Province. Gyeongsangbuk-do

    High levels of N1a1a-M2019 were found in Jeju Island, Geoje Island, and Gangwon Province. Gyeongsangbuk-do,

    Frequency is 3-6%
    https://blog.naver.com/rlarladudtnr/221045562315

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shubotai View Post
    R define Korean population as well.
    How much, and what subclades?

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